Good news for all........

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Psalm 37: 29 The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.

who made that up?

And they shall ........In the New Heaven and earth



Manny

A New Heaven and Earth
2 Peter 10..........

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

God is indeed going to destroy this old creation eventually ......once again I'm not making this up this is in the bible ...now if you JWs want to split hairs and say will technically it's still this earth but it going to get burned up and then restored fine because it does not allude any further than what is stated there.



Manny

Originally posted by galveston75

good news for all.....

When you say "all" do you include anyone outside of the Jehovah's Witness religion?

Originally posted by galveston75
Many observers have admitted that since the first world war broke out in 1914, mankind has entered a time of unprecedented turmoil.

An interesting choice of words, albeit not written by you but by your (un-quoted source) the governing body the WT organisation. However the same authority claiming to be the holders of god's truth wrote in 1894:

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

Of course the 1914 prophesy has become a source of contention between the JW org and it's detractors for obvious reasons (I.e. It's one of the best examples of false prophesy by the JW leadership), but I find it astonishing that Galveston still chooses to copy paste dump text from the WT with the text completely turned around as I've demonstrated here.

How do you explain this contradiction Galveston?

I hope you will choose to respond in this thread and not ignore my questions as you are in your "worship" thread.

Originally posted by galveston75
You get yourself frustrated. Not us. The issue is you still don't recognize the (((( 2 ))))) groups or flocks that Jesus himself says exist. One, the little flock goes to heaven, never the general population of mankind. No where does the Bible say all humans go to heaven after death........ever.
The little flock or chosen ones or the kings that will ru ...[text shortened]... aven, will never turn against him, or do you doubt that God does not have that ability to judge?

If heaven is where God is, then we will all see heaven at one point. To be judged!

Originally posted by menace71
True and I don't have a great answer. Most scholars and biblical experts do believe in a time of great trouble or tribulation before the end. I'm one who tries not to read too much into what is written other than what really is written. The two witnesses have always fascinated me. Who are they ? ( of course I'm doing what I said I don't do) many thing Moses ...[text shortened]... be killed until their appointed time. Sounds crazy !! The Antichrist not sure either.

Manny

The limitations of some churches teachings is caused by the need to explain everything. Example, using logic. The J.W.'s i admire for a number of reasons, yet they too have fallen into the trap. To logically figure out everything. It is written, 'that God's ways are far different than our own.'

This being said. To say flesh and blood can not go to heaven is a silly notion. Why not? Did not God create everything? We came from God, and after death we will return to him. Some were taken to heaven in the physical. Primarily Jesus, the Enoch and Elijah. And in the end days so will the Two Witnesses.

menace71, i have good news for you. You will live to see the Two Witnesses alive and talking. They are two men, born from mothers. They have the spirit of Elijah and Moses in them.

They are like book ends. They look alike spiritually, yet they are opposites. And all of what God is, is between them.

galveston,
Are you saying that souls in the Lake of Fire are not immortal?

Can't we also realize that eternal life and the second death are both for immortal souls?

Galveston,
Isn't the old earth burned up? The new earth is supposed to have "no more sea," right?

As for the old earth, isn't the ground or plant growth cursed for the sake of Adam? What is wrong with having a truly new earth?

Galveston,
Christ said that he lays His life down. It wasn't taken from Him. And that must be talking about His human life.

As for His soul or spiritual soul component, and for his Spiritual Existence separate from His soul, I don't know all about them. However, Jesus is God and therefore immortal. He was before Abraham.

When it comes to The Revelation, we need not to add or take away. When is comes to the rest of the bible, we also need not to add or take away.

Originally posted by menace71
A New Heaven and Earth
2 Peter 10..........

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy condu ...[text shortened]... restored fine because it does not allude any further than what is stated there.



Manny

*************Simply question. If all we know is literally going to be burned up with fire and destroyed.......where do we "humans" all go in the meantime as well as all the spirit beings, you know God and the angels as well as satan and the demons?*******************

It seems many know and understand that many things described in the Bible are not real events in a physical way and are only descriptions to help us see or understand things we can't see.
And Jehovah had the bible written that way so that most would not understand and would need his help in the understanding of these things by praying and asking him.
That is very apparent here by some of the very confused comments that are being made.
So why is this literal when it does not agree with other simple scriptures that say the "earth will stand forever" with no hint in that and other scriptures that the earth will ever be replaced?

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
Galveston,
Christ said that he lays His life down. It wasn't taken from Him. And that must be talking about His human life.

As for His soul or spiritual soul component, and for his Spiritual Existence separate from His soul, I don't know all about them. However, Jesus is God and therefore immortal. He was before Abraham.

When it comes to The R ...[text shortened]... add or take away. When is comes to the rest of the bible, we also need not to add or take away.

"when it comes to the bible, we need not add or take away" well what version are you talking about. The original bible or the protestant bible or any other bible that has come about? The Protestant Reformation removed seven whole books of the original bible.

Will the earth ever be destroyed?


To be correct, the explanation of these verses must agree with the context and with the rest of the Bible

If these texts (2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1) mean that the literal planet Earth is to be consumed by fire, then the literal heavens (the stars and other heavenly bodies) are also to be destroyed by fire. Such a literal view, however, conflicts with the assurance contained in such texts as ****Matthew 6:10, Psalm 37:29 and Ps 104:5, also Proverbs 2:21, 22.****

Furthermore, what effect would fire have on the already intensely hot sun and stars? So the term “earth” in the above-quoted texts must be understood in a different sense.

At Genesis 11:1, First Kings 2:1, 2, First Chronicles 16:31, Psalm 96:1, etc., the term “earth” is used in a figurative sense, referring to mankind, to human society. Might that be the case at 2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1?

Note that, in the context, at 2 Peter 3:5, 6 (also 2Pe 2:5, 9), a parallel is drawn with the Flood of Noah’s day, in which wicked human society was destroyed, but Noah and his household, as well as the globe itself, were preserved. Likewise, at 2 Peter 3:7 it says that the ones to be destroyed are “ungodly men.” The view that “the earth” here refers to wicked human society fully agrees with the rest of the Bible, as is illustrated by the texts cited above. It is that symbolic “earth,” or wicked human society, that is “discovered”; that is, Jehovah will sear away as by fire all disguise, exposing the wickedness of ungodly human society and showing it to be worthy of complete destruction. That wicked society of humans is also “the first earth,” referred to at Revelation 21:1 (KJ).

Consistently, Jesus’ expression at Luke 21:33 (“heaven and earth will pass away, but . . . &rdquo😉 must be understood in the light of the parallel statement at Luke 16:17 (“it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than . . . &rdquo😉, both of which simply emphasize the impossibility of the situations presented.—See also Matthew 5:18.

Galveston,
Are you someone that thinks that Christ was only an angel? Where in the bible does it show that Christ was only an angel?

Originally posted by galveston75
Will the earth ever be destroyed?


To be correct, the explanation of these verses must agree with the context and with the rest of the Bible

If these texts (2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1) mean that the literal planet Earth is to be consumed by fire, then the literal heavens (the stars and other heavenly bodies) are also to be destroyed by ...[text shortened]... of which simply emphasize the impossibility of the situations presented.—See also Matthew 5:18.

Is that like in revelations where when talking of the Two Witnesses it states, fire will come out of their mouths. (dragon breath, better give them some cool mints)

From a different angle on will the earth ever be destroyed...
One could also look up the scriptures if interested in what the Bible says, not what one thinks.


Will the Earth Survive?

Our planet Earth will not be destroyed by any cataclysm. Why can we be sure of that? Because God promises that the earth “will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.” (Psalm 104:5) Although “generations come and generations go,” states the Bible, “the earth remains forever.”—Ecclesiastes 1:4, New International Version.
At Psalm 104:5, the permanence of the earth is emphasized by two words used in the original Hebrew of that text—oh·lam; for “time indefinite” and adh for “forever.” Oh·lam may be translated “many years” or “perpetual.” According to Harkavy’s Students’ Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary, adh means “duration, everlastingness, eternity, for ever.” These two Hebrew words show the durability of the earth to be doubly certain. Consider three further Bible-based reasons to believe that the earth will remain forever.
First, God made the earth to be inhabited by humans—to be a lush, global paradise of delight, not a wasteland. Isaiah 45:18 describes Jehovah as “the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited.”
Second, God has long promised that humans who choose to obey him would reside forever on this earth in peace. Micah 4:4 promises: “They will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making them tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken it.” Thus, according to God’s purpose, the earth must remain eternally as mankind’s home, or else his promises would be in vain.—Psalm 119:90; Isaiah 55:11; 1 John 2:17.
Third, God has entrusted man with the care of this earth. “As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, but the earth he has given to the sons of men,” says God’s Word. (Psalm 115:16) Can you imagine a loving father giving a beautiful gift to his child and then turning around and destroying it? Of course not! Likewise, neither will Jehovah do any such thing to the earth and its inhabitants, for “God is love.”—1 John 4:8.
Jesus Christ gave this assurance regarding his Father’s sayings: “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17) And God, who cannot lie, promises: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”—Psalm 37:29; Titus 1:2.