Guns as "Protection"

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Probably....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372

http://www.thelocal.se/44408/20121114/#.UNcaTOQ1kqM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

how do these links indicate that sweden is less moral? all they show is that sweden has crime problems just like other countries.

the rape convictions in sweden is not a sign that they are all rapists but that women feel more confident reporting it and that the police and courts system take it more seriously. its testament to the high levels of equality in sweden.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
how do these links indicate that sweden is less moral? all they show is that sweden has crime problems just like other countries.

the rape convictions in sweden is not a sign that they are all rapists but that women feel more confident reporting it and that the police and courts system take it more seriously. its testament to the high levels of equality in sweden.

I really hate it when people throw a load of links at you.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
I really hate it when people throw a load of links at you.

guns dont kill people, links do.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
guns dont kill people, links do.

Who puts the bullets in the guns and who pulls the trigger?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Who puts the bullets in the guns and who pulls the trigger?

Yes yes nit wit; but the idea is to stop the maniacs "putting the bullets in the guns and pulling the trigger" and the most effective way to do that is to take away the guns.

Originally posted by divegeester

Yes yes nit wit; but the idea is to stop the maniacs "putting the bullets in the guns and pulling the trigger" and the most effective way to do that is to take away the guns.

Save your ink, Divegeester. Why waste it? Bulk of the sentiments being expressed here remind me of the haunting line from a contemporary poem by a Chicago Poet (whose name I've forgotten) "... the bitter habit of the forlorn cause is my addiction." Primary foe of the truth is that element of mankind satiated with half truths; sound principles mixed with error; and hoodwinked by inherited human viewpoint.
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Save your ink, Divegeester. Why waste it? Bulk of the sentiments being expressed here remind me of the haunting line from a contemporary poem by a Chicago Poet (whose name I've forgotten) "... the bitter habit of the forlorn cause is my addiction." Primary foe of the truth is that element of mankind satiated with half truths; sound principles mixed with error; and hoodwinked by inherited human viewpoint.
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You mean like all those people who believe in non-existent gods for no better reason than their ancestors did...

Originally posted by googlefudge

You mean like all those people who believe in non-existent gods for no better reason than their ancestors did...

Precisely!

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Precisely!

Yeah, I saw that coming.

Yours is one of the non-existent gods.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Yeah, I saw that coming.

Yours is one of the non-existent gods.

" Primary foe of the truth is that element of mankind
satiated with half truths; sound principles mixed with error;
and hoodwinked by inherited human viewpoint."
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Originally posted by googlefudge
Yeah, I saw that coming.

Yours is one of the non-existent gods.

Evolution is a non-existent science, numbnuts!

Originally posted by divegeester
Yes yes nit wit; but the idea is to stop the maniacs "putting the bullets in the guns and pulling the trigger" and the most effective way to do that is to take away the guns.

You might be able to take away the guns from the good people, but then who is going to take away the guns from the bad people, nitwit numbnuts?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You might be able to take away the guns from the good people, but then who is going to take away the guns from the bad people, nitwit numbnuts?

does that mean you think there are no bad people in britain? we dont have guns, how do we stop the 'bad' people?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new-york-firefighters-shooting/index.html


is it time to arm americas firemen? doctors and nurses could come under fire, lets arm them too and postmen!!! infact all civil servants should have military training............its the only way!!!!

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You are cleverly avoiding the point of morality. You claim unbelievers are more moral. I never said Christians don't sin. Christians have the ability to repent and change, and ask for forgiveness, unbelievers don't.
Christians have an anchor, Jesus Christ. Unbelievers are like a ship tossed at sea, full of doubt, worries and fear, without God and without Hope. Sad....

Seems like you are just avoiding the issue. You made the following claim:

Evil will continue until the heart changes. Only turning to Jesus Christ can accomplish that...When a person turns to Jesus Christ he/she receives a "new" heart.

If the above is true, then why are there so many Christians who are less moral than many non-Christians? If a Christian has a "new heart", then where does the immorality come from? If non-Christians have "evil" hearts, then where do their moral acts come from?

You are cleverly avoiding the point of morality.

Not sure what your objection is with using the word "sin". They are pretty closely related and I can't think of anything that is largely considered "immoral" that isn't "sin".

You claim unbelievers are more moral.

Actually what I said was:

You're kidding yourself if you believe that Christians are more moral than non-Christians. I've asked a number of Christians if they held that belief and the vast majority have not.

The claim was that Christians are not more moral than non-Christians. Do you not understand the distinction?

I never said Christians don't sin. Christians have the ability to repent and change, and ask for forgiveness, unbelievers don't.
Christians have an anchor, Jesus Christ. Unbelievers are like a ship tossed at sea, full of doubt, worries and fear, without God and without Hope. Sad....

And yet in my experience and in the experience of the vast majority of Christians I've asked, Christians are no more moral than non-Christians. What does the above have to do with that?