Originally posted by sumydidBut what you are describing could just as easily turn out to be badly regulated as it could be "well regulated". galveston75's question was "So where is this well regulated militia?" Would you say that its opposite - a "badly regulated militia" - in the context of the 2nd Amendment, would be not in accordance with intent of that part of the constitution?
Back when this was written, the militia basically consisted of anyone in town with a gun.
Originally posted by sumydidDefinition of MILITIA
All over the country. Back when this was written, the militia basically consisted of anyone in town with a gun. Nothing new today, except we just have a lot more towns and people.
1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
So who exactly is this speaking of in the USA?
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Originally posted by galveston75http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/enlstandards.htm
Definition of MILITIA
1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
So who exactly is this speaking of in the USA?
P.S. Someone like you would probably be rejected.
Originally posted by galveston75That is for you to figure out as long as you do not infringe on the rights of others, like me! 😏
Yes I'm sure you are very respondsable Manny. Ones like you are not the problem but obviously many are because of mental issues or just ones who have had it wilth life for whatever reason and want to end it all and take down as many with them as they can.
Also ones get paranoid with life for reasons and arm themselves to the teeth and then we have them ...[text shortened]... ype weapons would be removed from the public, these mass killings would have to be become less.
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Originally posted by RJHindsIt's for sure you haven't made any constructive comments or ideas with this. All you keep whinning about is YOUR rights. I haven't heard one single statement of sympathy to anyones families who have suffered from deaths by guns. Go figure huh?
That is for you to figure out as long as you do not infringe on the rights of others, like me! 😏
Originally posted by menace71you find guns fun. ok, let's go with that. what is fun in guns? is it the incredibly loud noise? the knockback? the hitting the target? i don't understand any of that personally but sure, go to a range and shoot your little heart out. join a club and shoot a bazooka if you wish. as long as you do it in a controlled environment. and as long as by the end of the day, you do not own a bazooka or minigun or sniper rifle and you do not keep it in your home.
I think your correct on this that civilians will get hammered if something ever went down like an armed insurrection or what have you. This does not change the original intent of the the 2nd amendment. I think Drones and armored vehicles and trained military most rednecks will get hammered no doubt. Does this nullify the right for civilians to have guns law ...[text shortened]... le afterwards LOL I was taught a healthy respect for guns and that they can kill you.
Manny
sure, if your job demands it, get a gun. but you get trained first. military training. you want a gun, you put in the effort to earn the right to use it.
that is why i am opposed to the second amendment. it doesn't say anything about people earning the right to bear arms. americans just think they automatically deserve it, like they are born with it. well you don't deserve to drive a car just because you breathe, you learn to drive first, and when some competent government official decides you deserve it, you are allowed to drive.
Originally posted by ZahlanziI don't disagree with the fact that one should be trained with the proper care of the firearm and safe use. One does not have to join the military or be trained in law enforcement to get basic gun training. There are courses offered all over the USA in gun safety and self-defense. Here is one example in my area.
you find guns fun. ok, let's go with that. what is fun in guns? is it the incredibly loud noise? the knockback? the hitting the target? i don't understand any of that personally but sure, go to a range and shoot your little heart out. join a club and shoot a bazooka if you wish. as long as you do it in a controlled environment. and as long as by the end of ...[text shortened]... nd when some competent government official decides you deserve it, you are allowed to drive.
http://www.handguntraining.net/personal-protection-firearms-training-473.html#map
Originally posted by RJHindsSometimes it is the cowards that hide behind their guns instead of standing with Jesus and the love he told us to display. "Love your neighbor" as he said. If we all did this, guns would not exist.
Just like a coward!
Satan is obviously against Jesus and his Kingdom. Anything to counter this Kingdom such as killing your neighbors no matter what country and not promoting the love he taught and showed himself, is an ally of Satan.
Originally posted by galveston75Why did you bring up the discussion of Guns at all on a forum on Spirituality? I see no relation between guns and spirituality. Guns have nothing to do with loving my neighbor except for the fact that guns can be used as a physical defense against those who do not love their neighbor. You apparently must believe we have no right to defend ourselves against such people.
Sometimes it is the cowards that hide behind their guns instead of standing with Jesus and the love he told us to display. "Love your neighbor" as he said. If we all did this, guns would not exist.
Satan is obviously against Jesus and his Kingdom. Anything to counter this Kingdom such as killing your neighbors no matter what country and not promoting the love he taught and showed himself, is an ally of Satan.
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Originally posted by RJHindsAnd that my friend is exactly the issue especially with you. You just don't get it.
I have yet to see any spiritual perspective of gun ownership being discussed. If that is the case, then let's have it. 😏
But bottom line is you can do as you see fit and with your conscience and as far as that goes with others who say they follow Christ.
This is the concern I have with this and why I started this thread. If it was just gun control and the governments play if this, yes it should not be here in the spiritual thread.
But there are millions of church going people that call themselves Christians such as yourself that do some of the things Jesus said to do but then for some reason don't follow other things he said. There is a major blurr in your minds and hearts in not seeing the facts of Jesus's words on harming anyone.
Not once did he ever tell his followers to take up arms and keep them in your houses and kill anyone who is coming after you belongings. You think he did in that scripture you keep falling back to but that was just the oppisite of what he was teaching them.
But yet what did he say? You will die by your weapon if you put you faith in it and you will reap what you sow.
So was he a liar? Why is this statement a truth you cannot see? Because you don't want to....