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Originally posted by KellyJaysuch people obviousely exist. but I would be very suprised/shocked if any of them are scientists. this is one of the many arguments for better quality education. a basic understanding of the way science works (and an understanding of the way statistics work [yes i hate them too, but they are often miss-used by people knowingly or unknowingly to influence people in making important desisions]) would help a lot.
You don't think there are people who believe that if people of
science tells them one thing is true and another isn't that, that
settles it?
Kelly
Originally posted by googlefudgeJust keep your eye on these boards, and watch. I bet if you keep
such people obviousely exist. but I would be very suprised/shocked if any of them are scientists. this is one of the many arguments for better quality education. a basic understanding of the way science works (and an understanding of the way statistics work [yes i hate them too, but they are often miss-used by people knowingly or unknowingly to influence people in making important desisions]) would help a lot.
this conversation in mind you will see it is more wide spread than
you give people credit for.
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I have seen allsorts of people making absurd claims about science, on or off these forums. however I have never heard any claim of the type we are talking about from someone I know is a scientist. (and I would point out there is no way of proving any particular memeber of this website is, or isn't, a scientist.
Originally posted by googlefudgeDo you believe there is a level of faith within science?
I have seen allsorts of people making absurd claims about science, on or off these forums. however I have never heard any claim of the type we are talking about from someone I know is a scientist. (and I would point out there is no way of proving any particular memeber of this website is, or isn't, a scientist.
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the short answer is no. certainly not in the way a religious person has faith in their religion. words can have so many different meanings and conotations that the same word can discribe something completly different in different situations. however faith is not the word I would use in any description of my veiw of science.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHRelying on our knowledge is a whole lot better than relying on God if you're diabetic.
Please, BDN, don't you bail on me, too. You know perfectly well I never said anything of the rubbish sort relative to science in this thread or any other.
I thought the thread would be over quickly once the point was made, not morphed into something entirely unintended and prolonged into such agonizing nothingness.
Again, for the record (not that on ...[text shortened]... e moons than previously held is another example of the limitation of relying on our knowledge.
Originally posted by KellyJayThere are no people I know who think science is so infallible as to render the discovery of new phenomena impossible.
You don't think there are people who believe that if people of
science tells them one thing is true and another isn't that, that
settles it?
Kelly
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm taking a break from all forums...
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, come back to the real world. Scientists do these things called experiments. It's because of that enquiring nature that we realise that you should never say never. When new info comes to light we adapt our ideas to get the one that closest fits ALL available info. Something your lot simply don't do. I see you've given up on redefining words, and are now trying to redefine the universe.
You don't think there are people who believe that if people of
science tells them one thing is true and another isn't that, that
settles it?
Kelly
Originally posted by scottishinnzYou didn't respond to the charge, I noticed.
Kelly, come back to the real world. Scientists do these things called experiments. It's because of that enquiring nature that we realise that you should never say never. When new info comes to light we adapt our ideas to get the one that closest fits ALL available info. Something your lot simply don't do. I see you've given up on redefining words, and are now trying to redefine the universe.
Originally posted by googlefudgeWhat you are putting faith into may be different, but you are still
the short answer is no. certainly not in the way a religious person has faith in their religion. words can have so many different meanings and conotations that the same word can discribe something completly different in different situations. however faith is not the word I would use in any description of my veiw of science.
using faith which comes from you.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompWe all view the universe with our limited knowledge and understanding.
Stop it , you are confusing terms "faith"( can be used to signify nearly any belief) but is not nearly the same thing as "degree of certainty" that science uses.
We fill in the gaps of what we know with what we think is true, we can
work it out for ourselves, or trust another, but we are sill filling in the
blanks with faith and beliefs. It is still faith and beliefs in action, what
you want to place your faith in you may choose, but you are going to
be putting it in one thing or another. You have no choice that is the
way it is with mankind we are people of faith, the blanks will be
filled in with something.
As the scripture says we see as if through a glass darkly in the here
and now. What we do next is take it upon ourselves to mold what we
want the universe to be like, and we do what we will too. Sometimes
those things agree with each other, our views of what the universe
should be like, and what we want out of it, and sometimes they
don't.
Kelly