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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe cross that the Indonesians venerate symbolizes Christ's sacrifice. Frankly, your European perspective is not relevant and does not affect either Indonesians nor the symbolism of the cross for Indonesians. I do not deny that you see the cross as a "pagan symbol" and that this symbolism has been applied to it by many Christians stretching way back. Your fixation on "pagan antiquity" has nothing to do with Indonesian Christians.
the cross that the Indonesians venerate is of pagan antiquity, are you denying the fact?
As much as I agree with you Robbie on the IPL and disagree with FMF... on this point so far the positions are reversed. Your point of view only makes any sense if you can prove that Pagans have exclusive worldwide rights to the egg symbol ( you will be well aware that being chronologically first is irrelevant if you have any relatives called McDonald ). I doubt that the shortlist for the Christian fertility symbol was very long. Most likely a triangle, an egg, and a cock. I'd have gone for the cock myself.
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Originally posted by thaughbaereven the Christ was betrayed with a kiss! I hope that our friend can draw himself away from his pagan festival to watch a few overs and keep his snobbery at bay.
As much as I agree with you Robbie on the IPL and disagree with FMF... on this point so far the positions are reversed. Your point of view only makes any sense if you can prove that Pagans have exclusive worldwide rights to the egg symbol ( you will be well aware that being chronologically first is irrelevant if you have any relatives called McDonald ). I ...[text shortened]... ol was very long. Most likely a triangle, an egg, and a cock. I'd have gone for the cock myself.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have said that your European "pagan antiquity" perspective is not relevant to our discussion about what the cross symbolizes for Indonesian Christians. The cross is not of "pagan antiquity" for Indonesian Christians. It is your prerogative to see the symbolism of the cross in terms of "pagan antiquity". The cross symbol is not "owned" by pagans no matter how far back an association exists.
bump for FMF , are you denying that the cross is of pagan antiquity?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's very awkward for you, isn't it, to attempt an answer to the question "In, 1940, did the swastika symbolize the same thing for Indians as it did for Germans?" without contradicting your own line of argument?
bump for FMF , are you denying that the cross is of pagan antiquity?