Originally posted by PinkFloydHow could these two verses be a symbolical and not the rest of these 5 verses? It wouldn't make sense for Jesus to mix it up so to say in meanings. He never did that with any other verses and that would also not be a good teaching process.
I don't think you're rude. I just think you're wrong. But that's okay. Christians differ all the time.🙂
Maybe it's because this doesn't make sense to ones who believe that all go to heaven or hell after death and the earth is not considered as being a real place to be resurrected to after death?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieAll it takes is incense these days?!? Whatever happened to good old fashioned blood sacrifice? Sheesh.
lol, take your pagan worship to the temple, offer up incense to your pantheon of Gods and let us worship the father and give honour and glory to the son.
Originally posted by galveston75wrong. it never replaces Jehovah...EVER. It only replaces YHWH. YHWH is replaced to make the text understandable in English.
No it doesn't. Most Bibles all say LORD and with a little reasearch one will see that it replaces God's name Jehovah or YHWH.
To claim that Jehovah is replaced is simply a lie, if you continue this argument then you may readily and truthfully be called... a liar
Originally posted by DowardThis is not even worth responding too.......
wrong. it never replaces Jehovah...EVER. It only replaces YHWH. YHWH is replaced to make the text understandable in English.
To claim that Jehovah is replaced is simply a lie, if you continue this argument then you may readily and truthfully be called... a liar
Originally posted by galveston75I don't think I made my question clear enough. So are you saying nobody could be both poor in spirit and meek, as those terms were meant in Matt 5 1-5. If anybody was both, they'd get both heaven and earth, which wasn't being promised, and in fact seems to be impossible, as the ruler would then rule themselves.
Well again the "poor in spirit" or "little flock" are ones who thru their actions and heart conditions has been chosen by God to go to heaven to rule with Jesus as "Kings and Priest" and to rule with Jesus over the earth and mankind.
And the meek ones who are not of that "little flock" that Jesus spoke of that will go to heaven, is the " great crowd" t ...[text shortened]... once again live on the earth which is where God intended all humans to live.
Originally posted by JS357here is a better translation, the term, 'poor in spirit', does not convey the idea
I don't think I made my question clear enough. So are you saying nobody could be both poor in spirit and meek, as those terms were meant in Matt 5 1-5. If anybody was both, they'd get both heaven and earth, which wasn't being promised, and in fact seems to be impossible, as the ruler would then rule themselves.
properly, it literally reads, those who are 'beggars for the spirit', in other words,
those who are conscious of their spiritual need, thus its properly translated as,
(Matthew 5:3) . . .“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the
kingdom of the heavens belongs to them. - New world translation of the Holy
scriptures.
Although its not entirely relevant to your argument, better translation makes for a
better understanding.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieGood post Robbie..Thanks.
here is a better translation, the term, 'poor in spirit', does not convey the idea
properly, it literally reads, those who are 'beggars for the spirit', in other words,
those who are conscious of their spiritual need, thus its properly translated as,
(Matthew 5:3) . . .“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the
kingdom o ...[text shortened]... ot entirely relevant to your argument, better translation makes for a
better understanding.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI can readily accept that, but my question concerns the person who is both meek and poor in spirit. Matt 5 -15 seems to promise on thing to the one, and another thing to the other. If these promises are that specific (which is my real question) then why isn't there a promise for the person who is virtuous in both ways? Maybe that promise is made elsewhere. Please pardon the word "promise." I am trying to be respectful here.
here is a better translation, the term, 'poor in spirit', does not convey the idea
properly, it literally reads, those who are 'beggars for the spirit', in other words,
those who are conscious of their spiritual need, thus its properly translated as,
(Matthew 5:3) . . .“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the
kingdom o ...[text shortened]... ot entirely relevant to your argument, better translation makes for a
better understanding.
Originally posted by JS357Well again there is only a specific number of how many go to heaven or just so many of these positions that are described as being judges and priest with Jesus. Just as in any govenment with a King and others involved in the ruling of this Kingdom, there is only so many needed.
I can readily accept that, but my question concerns the person who is both meek and poor in spirit. Matt 5 -15 seems to promise on thing to the one, and another thing to the other. If these promises are that specific (which is my real question) then why isn't there a promise for the person who is virtuous in both ways? Maybe that promise is made elsewhere. Please pardon the word "promise." I am trying to be respectful here.
And as in any kingdom there are many more to be ruled over.
So to answer your question, the Bible explains these qualifications that God is looking for. There are many scriptures that detail these but we as humans do not know beyond these how God really explores their hearts deeply and decides who will be part of this rulership. It's not that many more humans would not qualify but again there are only so many needed and only God decides who will be used.
But the other choise which is the chance to live forever on a beautifully and completely cleansed earth without any evil or death or sickness is a very good option.
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Notice verse 3 mentions that a group will be in the "heavens" as it belongs to them.
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Verse 3 reads "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens."
By careful study of Matthew's Gospel it is clear the "the kingdom of the heavens" is not equal to heaven. And thefore, "for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens" does not mean that 'a group will be in the "heavens" '.
We should understand the phrase "the kingdom of the heavens" thoughout Matthew as the kingdom whose ORIGIN is from heaven. That is the kingdom, the SOURCE of which, is in heaven.
Now here is proof that "the kingdom of the heavens" does not mean heaven itself, and Matt. 5:3 has nothing to do with anyone going to heaven - either a large flock or a little flock.
In the parable of the wheat and the tares (the true believers in the world and the false believers) Jesus explains:
"Therefore just as the tares are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the consummation of the age. The Son of Man will send His angels, and they will collect out of His kingdom all the stumbling blocks and those who practice lawlessness, And will cast them into the furnace of fire. In the place there will be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.
Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kigdnom of their Father." (See Matt. 13:40-43a)
If "His kingdom" or "the kingdom of the heavens" is actually heaven itself, then this would mean that the Lord Jesus would take the unbelievers with the believers up to heaven and THERE collect out of heaven "all the stumbling blocks and those who practice lawlessness." .
The separation of the condemned and the kingdom people would have to be performed in heaven if the kingdom of the heavens is heaven itself. No serious Bible student understands that Christ will take to heaven unbelievers and false believers and THERE "collect out of His kingdom" the false believers from the true.
So Matthew 5:3 saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens" should not mean the poor in spirit go to heaven, to God's kingdom.
Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be so clear about the errors of heaven going, but they fall prey to the same mistake in this bad interpretation of Matthew 5:3.