Well from what I have learned according to that book (Holy Bible) it say in
Genesis 3 verse 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Verse 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
so how can you be dead and go to hell? Would that make God a liar according to the book? Because if you are in hell no matter what you are still living. Be it tormented or not you are not truly dead.
Originally posted by tweetyloveGood point.
Well from what I have learned according to that book (Holy Bible) it say in
Genesis 3 verse 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Verse 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
so how can you be dead and go to hell? W ...[text shortened]... are in hell no matter what you are still living. Be it tormented or not you are not truly dead.
Are the “wages of sin” death? Or are the wages of sin eternal living torment?
Originally posted by vistesdI do not believe you have to get "it" right in beliefs, I have tried to
If I recall correctly, for you hell is not eternal torment, because it is destroyed in the lake of fire—the “second death”, which being a death, I would think is final. So at least there is a terminus to the torment.
Have I got that right?
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I really must get another copy of The Great Divorce, I know. Maybe ...[text shortened]... re thinking reasonably or not. Some, like FreakyKBH, are pretty up-front in saying just that.
say that in quite a few different ways. What I do believe you have to
do is care about a relationship with God, and one that is done on
God's terms not ours, which I believe is through Jesus Christ. Now can
I grasp your relationship with God in Christ, not really you either have
come to God and have a relationship with Him or not.
Why the distinction between those going to Heaven and Hell, I really
wish you find your copy of that book. I may have to read it again once you do. 🙂
Kelly
Originally posted by tweetyloveJust as there are different types of words that were changed into the
Well from what I have learned according to that book (Holy Bible) it say in
Genesis 3 verse 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Verse 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
so how can you be dead and go to hell? W ...[text shortened]... are in hell no matter what you are still living. Be it tormented or not you are not truly dead.
word Hell, there are different deaths too.
Kelly
Originally posted by ahosyneyMostly wikipedia and some links.
I'm sorry , now what you say start to be a way of reasoning. It is just a repeation of others words.
I will ask you a clear question:
Did you read about the details of the life of prophet mohammed? How much did you read and what was your sources?
Your initial argument was that because the Quran is 1400 old, then we can't rely on it to know GOD, but now you say something different.
Your initial argument was that because the Quran is 1400 old, then we can't rely on it to know GOD, but now you say something different.
A bad argument for the Qu'ran, I admit.
Originally posted by KellyJaySo... the Bible is not absolute, everyone can make out of it whatever it wants. That's why there are thousands of divisions in Christianity. But only tells me the Bible is not clear and is another argument for not taking it as an absolute truth.
"I say the description of your God made by the Bible makes plausible that the Bible isn't correct, and quite possibly your God a men made invention."
I'd like to touch this post again, this portion of it. Now I have read the
Bible from cover to cover more than once. I know others have too and
those that I know about from time to time can and have disag ...[text shortened]... duce different takes on the same verse?
Not trying to trap you, just wondering?
Kelly
It's like an astrology text: it's so vaguely precise people always find an end in it.
Originally posted by serigadoYou can't understand something you haven't experienced, and you can't experience something if you run away and deny it exists. As I said we can't convince you, nothing we say will change your mind, only the Holy Spirit can convict you.
I can't understand it.
The simple fact is, you are not looking for God you are only looking for excuses to deny God, that's why you are on your computer and not on your knees.
Originally posted by tweetyloveThe Bible defines Life as knowing God and Death as being separated from God, and thus Heaven (eternal Life) is being able to know and experience God for eternity and Hell is eternal separation from God.
Well from what I have learned according to that book (Holy Bible) it say in
Genesis 3 verse 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Verse 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
so how can you be dead and go to hell? W ...[text shortened]... are in hell no matter what you are still living. Be it tormented or not you are not truly dead.
Those of you that do not know God are headed toward being eternally separated from Him with know chance of reconciliation, please turn to Him now while you still have a chance.
Originally posted by SourJaxNo. I'm trying to reach concordance between different opinions. I believe my point of view and the religious point of view are not conciliative, so debate must occur until one side changes opinion.
You can't understand something you haven't experienced, and you can't experience something if you run away and deny it exists. As I said we can't convince you, nothing we say will change your mind, only the Holy Spirit can convict you.
The simple fact is, you are not looking for God you are only looking for excuses to deny God, that's why you are on your computer and not on your knees.
Holy Spirit... if I can only see God when the Holy Spirit comes, it's the Holy Spirits' fault if I go to Hell.
No, I'm not looking specifically for God, I'm not trying to convince myself God exists nor trying to fit God by force in my philosophy. That would be unjust to God.
Maybe you should lift your head and look for some real answers instead of looking to a cross while kneeing on the floor.
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Originally posted by serigadoYou really do spend a lot of time reading into words others say turning
So... the Bible is not absolute, everyone can make out of it whatever it wants. That's why there are thousands of divisions in Christianity. But only tells me the Bible is not clear and is another argument for not taking it as an absolute truth.
It's like an astrology text: it's so vaguely precise people always find an end in it.
their meaning into that which you want to believe. No, I did not say
that! It does not matter what I believe about X if the truth of X is
something else reality will not change because I think otherwise!
Scriptural truth like reality itself does not change with human
perception of it, it is what it is! If you and I read a passage and think
it means two different things that does not mean either of us is
reading it correctly. My point to you is because we view scripture from
such completely different starting points our filters are so different
what you think about a passage and what I do will not be close many
times, so I doubt your readings of scripture will paint God the same
way mine does.
Kelly
Originally posted by SourJaxAgain the speech of FEAR: Come to God before's too late... Too late to WHAT?
The Bible defines Life as [b]knowing God and Death as being separated from God, and thus Heaven (eternal Life) is being able to know and experience God for eternity and Hell is eternal separation from God.
Those of you that do not know God are headed toward being eternally separated from Him with know chance of reconciliation, please turn to Him now while you still have a chance.[/b]
No one will go to your Hell, if God is just and cares about us he wouldn't allow it's own creation to be eternally damned in Hell. (This assuming God exists).
Originally posted by KellyJayI wasn't saying you said that. I was making a statement of what I thought you had said, waiting for confirmation or correction.
You really do spend a lot of time reading into words others say turning
their meaning into that which you want to believe. No, I did not say
that! It does not matter what I believe about X if the truth of X is
something else reality will not change because I think otherwise!
Scriptural truth like reality itself does not change with human
perception of ...[text shortened]... any
times, so I doubt your readings of scripture will paint God the same
way mine does.
Kelly
So, who tells you anyone is interpreting it the right way? You maybe deluded into your own interpretation. And there are so many interpretations made, what is the right one?
The Truth in the Bible is absolute, but everyone interprets it differently. Who is right?
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Originally posted by serigadoIt is no different than anything else, it is what it is! Just as I can miss
I wasn't saying you said that. I was making a statement of what I thought you had said, waiting for confirmation or correction.
So, who tells you anyone is interpreting it the right way? You maybe deluded into your own interpretation. And there are so many interpretations made, what is the right one?
The Truth in the Bible is absolute, but everyone interprets it differently. Who is right?
your point you can miss the point of scripture. With scripture there is
another thing that some here have called the magic decoder, which is
the Holy Spirit since spiritual truths of God will only be understood by
the Spirit of God, the spirit of man will not see it though it is right
in front of him. I suppose it is like water not rising above its source it
can only go so far. The things of God can only be understood with
God's help, and that enlightenment can come from God for the
asking. God will give wisdom to those that ask him for it in faith
without finding fault.
Kelly
PS.
Sorry I misunderstood you, fitting given our talk.
Originally posted by KellyJayAs I see it, the Holy Spirit is nothing more then the inner strength to be willing to believe and to open the mind to receive that new "knowledge".
It is no different than anything else, it is what it is! Just as I can miss
your point you can miss the point of scripture. With scripture there is
another thing that some here have called the magic decoder, which is
the Holy Spirit since spiritual truths of God will only be understood by
the Spirit of God, the spirit of man will not see it though it is ...[text shortened]... faith
without finding fault.
Kelly
PS.
Sorry I misunderstood you, fitting given our talk.
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Originally posted by serigadoSo we part company on God is like right off the bat, where I differ with
As I see it, the Holy Spirit is nothing more then the inner strength to be willing to believe and to open the mind to receive that new "knowledge".
some here is that I do believe God to be personable, a reality in my
life. I do not believe God to be some force without thought or purpose
that basically is some level of existence to be achieved, since I believe
that God is active with a plan, purpose, for His designed creation.
Kelly