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Originally posted by sonhouseEDIT: redundant post.
What do you mean, 'non-dual' means atheist?
Originally posted by vistesdOk, let me back up a bit. What is Non dual? And what does that have to do with atheism? Is non dual just the belief that there is only one god? Not sure.
Nondualism can be nontheistic, it need not be. The same for personal/impersonal (though I might prefer "conscious/unconscious--whether the all-in-all Real could in some sense be said to be conscious or not): Sufism is more "personalistic", as are Kabbalah and Hasidism in Judaism (as was the Christian theologian Meister Eckhart); Zen is not. That i ...[text shortened]... lar understanding of “material”. He also uses the distinction between energy and matter.
Originally posted by sonhouseNondualism, in religious philosophy, is (very generally) the view that reality is one whole; theistic dualism is the view that God and the universe are separate entities. As I noted, there are different nondualistc views. For example, “God is everything” and “Everything is God” can be (and often are) taken to be saying two different things—the latter is more likely to be essentially nontheistic (in the sense of a personal God), e.g., Spinoza.
Ok, let me back up a bit. What is Non dual? And what does that have to do with atheism? Is non dual just the belief that there is only one god? Not sure.
Originally posted by vistesdI think I get it now, god and us IS the universe Vs there is a god and there is a universe, separate entities. Why does Dasa think non dualistic thinking is an atheist stand?
Nondualism, in religious philosophy, is (very generally) the view that reality is one whole; theistic dualism is the view that God and the universe are separate entities. As I noted, there are different nondualistc views. For example, “God is everything” and “Everything is God” can be (and often are) taken to be saying two different things—the latt ...[text shortened]... nondualism.
Hope that helps, but I don’t think that I am really expressing myself well today.
Originally posted by lemon limeI think he meant that the typical Christian is either fanatic or hypocrite. That is what I see in culture, books and movies, and real life. Very few exceptions. Cherry-pickers do make good family, friends and neighbors, however.
A somewhat valid observation, but he apparently missed the main point and purpose of Christianity. I've read enough of the New Testament to understand Christ didn't walk around searching for perfect people to be with. He searched out the sort of people some of us would call the scum of the earth.
I especially like something he said to the religi r and recognition (of self importance) can naturally lead anyone in that direction.
Originally posted by apathistIf Christianity or Islam were just a bunch of do-gooders with no other agenda I would have no gripe with them. I HATE the way religion is bent to deadly purposes by the leaders of the fundies. The killings of abortion clinic docs or the forced conversion to Islam now and the forced conversions to Christianity in the past.
I think he meant that the typical Christian is either fanatic or hypocrite. That is what I see in culture, books and movies, and real life. Very few exceptions. Cherry-pickers do make good family, friends and neighbors, however.
Originally posted by sonhouseThere was a code of scripture before Jesus appeared as a man and which was argued over with the Pharisee. I think you are referring to the Biblical Canon arragement that we see today that includes Christian writings as part of those scriptures.
If Christianity or Islam were just a bunch of do-gooders with no other agenda I would have no gripe with them. I HATE the way religion is bent to deadly purposes by the leaders of the fundies. The killings of abortion clinic docs or the forced conversion to Islam now and the forced conversions to Christianity in the past.
When religions are based on fai ...[text shortened]... bible wasn't even codified for 300 years after Christ so it is naturally full of outright lies.
Originally posted by RJHindsI am talking about the Nicaea Council of 325 AD where they condemned the Gnostic Gospels and fought over what books would be in the NT.
There was a code of scripture before Jesus appeared as a man and which was argued over with the Pharisee. I think you are referring to the Biblical Canon arragement that we see today that includes Christian writings as part of those scriptures.
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Originally posted by apathistFanaticism and hypocrisy are unavoidable human traits. So are noses, almost everyone has one of those. I'm surprised any respected religious leader would stoop to attributing universal human attributes to one particuar religion...
I think he meant that the typical Christian is either fanatic or hypocrite. That is what I see in culture, books and movies, and real life. Very few exceptions. Cherry-pickers do make good family, friends and neighbors, however.
Originally posted by apathistThat is true. However, man was not even able to get that right. That date is believed to be 4 or 5 years off according to most scholars. So who knows how far those supposed billions of years could be off? I would guess they are off by billions of years. What is your guess?
Hey sonhouse it trips me that our very system of tabulating years depends on dear Jesus. I do not not have answers. Pretty sure we are monkeys with tech.
Originally posted by RJHindsSon of God was not born during winter. I am sure of that. Your bs stole regular nature worship. Do you feel no shame? Your God is so weak it cannot stand up. Notice the period.
That is true. However, man was not even able to get that right. That date is believed to be 4 or 5 years off according to most scholars. So who knows how far those supposed billions of years could be off? I would guess they are off by billions of years. What is your guess?
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