His ways are not our ways

Originally posted by @thinkofone

According to God in Ezekiel 18, it's not about doing "enough good things" per se, it's about becoming righteous. That is, it's about no longer continuing to sin. For those who do so, "all his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him" and he will "live". This is the measure of true repentance.

Where in Ezekiel 18 do you derive the idea that God is speaking there about eternal destinies ?

Originally posted by @rajk999
The Depravity of Man Gospel? Its a bunch of nonsense.

God love sinners. Is there a reference for that?

Nobody is righteous on their own?
Who cares.

The OT has a long list of righteous people
How do you figure out on their own or not on their own.

God loves the righteous and hates the sinners.

You don't know about the love of God for sinners, is this why you think works is such a
big deal? You have to earn your spot and you think you have been doing that so that you
are good with God because in your view you are not a sinner, but righteous before God?

Luke 11:42
“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 5:8
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

1 John 4:9
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.

1 John 4:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.


God did not have to reach out for us, to try and save a lost and dying world, but He did
because He loves.

Ephesians 2:3-5 English Standard Version (ESV)
3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Romans 8:2-4 English Standard Version (ESV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

This of course does not mean we stay in this state of unrighteousness or we have been
given a license to live as sinners being saved by grace. It does mean that He loves us
all, and is reaching out to all of us. You think you and a few others are righteous before
God, that is some statement if you do.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You don't know about the love of God for sinners, is this why you think works is such a
big deal? You have to earn your spot and you think you have been doing that so that you
are good with God because in your view you are not a sinner, but righteous before God?

Luke 11:42
“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and negl ...[text shortened]... us. You think you and a few others are righteous before
God, that is some statement if you do.

To be honest I aint reading all that I asked a specific question... where does the bible say that God loves sinners.

Originally posted by @rajk999
To be honest I aint reading all that I asked a specific question... where does the bible say that God loves sinners.

If you wanted to see examples you'd read it. I answered your question.

Originally posted by @rajk999
God loves good and righteous people.

God hates sinners.


End of Story

While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Why would He die for people He hates?

You don't know your Bible.

End of Story.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
If you wanted to see examples you'd read it. I answered your question.

Ok thanks. Nowhere in your references is there any statement that God loves sinners. On that matter you are incorrect.

So next one. Jesus preached to people. Did he ever preach anything resembling this depravity of man gospel that Christian churches now preach? Specifically where did Jesus tell anyone that they cannot be righteous or cannot be good enough. Please spare me the long explanations and just provide a reference. Thanks.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Ok thanks. Nowhere in your references is there any statement that God loves sinners. On that matter you are incorrect.

So next one. Jesus preached to people. Did he ever preach anything resembling this depravity of man gospel that Christian churches now preach? Specifically where did Jesus tell anyone that they cannot be righteous or cannot be good enough. Please spare me the long explanations and just provide a reference. Thanks.

Romans 5:8
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Romans 5:8
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

You quoted that already and it does not say God loves sinners. It is incorrect for churches to tell people God loves sinners. Like so many other doctrines which you preach they are just plain wrong. You do not understand the bible and you twist the change the meaning of words in the Bible

The Matt 7 passage you changed the word 'wonderful works' to 'good works' and you insisted that these people did good works even saying that Jesus said that they did good works. You are not a reliable source of information for people seeking truth in doctrine.

God loves the people of the world, and it is because of his Promises to Adam, Abraham David and to others that Jesus was sent to die for the sins of the world so that man can have an opportunity for eternal life IF they live righteously.

GOD LOVES THE RIGHTEOUS AND RIGHESOUSNESS
GOD HATES SIN AND GOD HATES SINNERS

So the next point where did Jesus say that nobody could be righteous.
You cannot find it. It aint there in the Bible. Yet you continue to preach that garbage.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Romans 5:8
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

A Man shows his love for his wife in that while she was strip dancing, he sent someone to cover her.

What does the man love,
strip dancing?
his wife to strip dance?
All strip dancers ?
NO

The man loves his wife.
The man show his love for his wife by covering her
The man wants his wife to STOP strip dancing
The man HATES STRIP DANCING.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You quoted that already and it does not say God loves sinners. It is incorrect for churches to tell people God loves sinners. Like so many other doctrines which you preach they are just plain wrong. You do not understand the bible and you twist the change the meaning of words in the Bible

The Matt 7 passage you changed the word 'wonderful works' to 'good ...[text shortened]... teous.
You cannot find it. It aint there in the Bible. Yet you continue to preach that garbage.

If you cannot see that God’s love for us was what motivated Him to act to save us, you simply cannot see it. Very sad!

Originally posted by @kellyjay
If you cannot see that God’s love for us was what motivated Him to act to save us, you simply cannot see it. Very sad!

Yet another of your pet doctrines bites the dust.

Others:
- Matt 7 good works fiasco
- God loves sinners
- nobody could be righteous
- nonChristians will be tormented for eternity
- man lives for eternity either in hell or heaven

Boy you are full of church nonsense

Originally posted by @rajk999
Yet another of your pet doctrines bites the dust.

Others:
- Matt 7 good works fiasco
- God loves sinners
- nobody could be righteous
- nonChristians will be tormented for eternity
- man lives for eternity either in hell or heaven

Boy you are full of church nonsense

That remains to be seen.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
That remains to be seen.

You profess Jesus with your mouth. If you believed in Jesus with your heart your mouth would profess his doctrines. Instead you promote the teachings of the church. Nowhere did Jesus say:
- God loves sinners
- that nobody could be righteous
- that wonderful works was good works

LOL .. :😀 church boy

Originally posted by @rajk999

GOD LOVES THE RIGHTEOUS AND RIGHESOUSNESS
GOD HATES SIN AND GOD HATES SINNERS

God loves His Righteous Son and made Him to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Christ.


I think you missed your religious calling. Islam is where your heart really is.

Mohammed, is the teacher you want not Jesus.

Originally posted by @sonship
I think you missed your religious calling. Islam is where your heart really is.

Mohammed, is the teacher you want not Jesus.

You profess Jesus with your mouth. If you believed in Jesus with your heart your mouth would profess his doctrines. Instead you promote the teachings of the church. Nowhere did Jesus say:
- God loves sinners
- that nobody could be righteous
- that wonderful works was good works

LOL .. : church boy