Originally posted by @rajk999
Im interested in what Jesus says mostly.
On the one hand Christians proclaim that Jesus is the way and the truth
Then they proceed to say what many others say and ignore Jesus.
Your post is based on what Christians call the 'depravity of man'
It is a foolish and unbiblical doctrine.
Why? Mostly because Jesus never preached it.
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[ Christians who do not live according to the commandments of Christ are in fact evil]
You are long on opinion, sort on Biblical text.
God is Holy, Just, and indeed far beyond us, so that in the OT before grace even coming
in contact with God resulted in death. Prophets cried out that they were unclean men,
living among unclean men. When they drew near Him, when someone touched the Ark
that was not done properly they were stuck down for it. I guess according to you, the god
you deal with isn't all that impressive, either that or you are failing to grasp how Holy God
is, and evil men are. When Moses came to the burning bush where God was speaking to
Him the very ground around Him was Holy and Moses was told to remove His shoes.
God cannot be bribed, not with works or anything. I'm not sure what god you are referring
to but it isn't the God of the Bible. You have a very high opinion of good works, that they
could cause God to do something He would otherwise be unwilling to do. I'd say if God
can be bribed than He isn't very Just or Holy, just as a policeman or a judge if they can
be bribed they are not acting righteously.
He is so good and Holy He will accept nothing that isn't perfect.
Leviticus 22:21
And when anyone offers a sacrifice of peace offerings to the Lord to fulfill a vow or as a freewill offering from the herd or from the flock, to be accepted it must be perfect; there shall be no blemish in it.
Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
(Please note: He became the source of eternal salvation to those that obey Him, not
those that are attempting to bribe Him with good works. Outside of Jesus Christ you are
not clean before God.)
2 Chronicles 19:7
Now then, let the fear of the Lord be upon you. Be careful what you do, for there is no injustice with the Lord our God, or partiality or taking bribes.”
You actually think you can impress God? He created the universe, holds it all together by
the power of His Word, He resides eternal unchanging from everlasting to everlasting
and you can impress Him by doing good works? Good works do not cleans you of sins,
that would be the shed blood of Jesus Christ, good works do not alter a sinful heart, that
would be the Holy Spirit of God given to those that obey Him.
Your constant misrepresenting of being saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ
does not change the fact that when we obey God, we are given His Spirit, to do the works
He has for us. You think because you are earning your way into being worthy you are
better, but the fact is your trusting in your efforts not the grace God has given to all of us
so you will die in your sins regardless of how many good works you do. Again, good
works are not what makes us righteous, they are just things the righteous do.
Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,
Galatians 2:16
yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Ephesians 2:9
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
2 Timothy 1:9
who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
After all of these scriptures you still believe God can be bribed with works you do?
We are to do good works, yes, not denying that, being given the Spirit of God allows us to
follow the Holy Spirit to do the works of God.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
People who do not have God's Spirit do not belong to God, you need me to quote those
scriptures to you again?
His ways are not our ways
11 Jun '18 05:51
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