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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You said you shared your views around that time didn't you?

Like I said, I'm not going to spend time looking for what it is you are pretending not to remember, and I don't care if you come back and pretend that you can't find it either.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
On the 8th September last year sir, not once did you mention aubergines.

I think you will agree, I've won this argument.

The amusing thing is that I have given Fetchmyjunk an example of when I think lying is not an immoral act on this thread - a matter of hald an hour or so ago - and I even reposted it when he ignored it - and he seems absolutely determined not to discuss it and instead wants to go off and say he's finding moments in time when I didn't give him an example. Very odd.

Originally posted by FMF
Was there nothing in my scenario that you thought you might address specifically, in the spirit of discussing something, as it were, aside from simply asking the disingenuous question above? You asked me a question and I answered it head on and then you just ignored it. Here was that scenario:

"Someone bent my ear for four hours last night about his pending d ...[text shortened]... ite to hear him trawl through the same litany of complaints and injustices two nights in a row."

All I want to know from you is this: under what conditions would it not be acceptable to lie in your opinion?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
... is 'lying' for example, 'immoral' behavior in your opinion?

Why have you blanked out my answer to this question which I posted on page 10 and then reposted in order to draw your attention to it, which you also blanked out?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All I want to know from you is this: under what conditions would it not be acceptable to lie in your opinion?

Why have you simply ignored the example I gave you?

Originally posted by FMF
Why have you blanked out my answer to this question which I posted on page 10 and then reposted in order to draw your attention to it, which you also blanked out?

You have given me one example you when you think lying is not immoral. This has no bearing on when you believe it is immoral to lie. That is what I am specifically interested in.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
... under what conditions would it not be acceptable to lie in your opinion?

To spare someone's feelings (as in the example I gave); to protect my family from harm; to stop or divert someone from doing something morally unsound; to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time; to anyone threatening me or trying to coerce me with violence or some other kind of damage (for example); to not disturb community sensibilities or avoid a pointless debate; stuff like that, and that's just off the top of my head as I type here.

edit: I think lying is morally unsound but the above examples would be exceptions in my view

Originally posted by FMF
Why have you simply ignored the example I gave you?

So when I respond to your answer you view that as me ignoring it?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You have given me one example you when you think lying is not immoral. This has no bearing on when you believe it is immoral to lie..

So you just ignored it?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So when I respond to your answer you view that as me ignoring it?

What was you response to it?

Originally posted by FMF
To spare someone's feelings (as in the example I gave); to protect my family from harm; to stop or divert someone from doing something morally unsound; to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time; to anyone threatening me or trying to coerce me with violence or some other kind of damage (for example); to not disturb community sensibilities or av ...[text shortened]...

edit: I think lying is morally unsound but the above examples would be exceptions in my view

I think you have misunderstood my question. I asked when is it not acceptable to lie?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I think you have misunderstood my question. I asked when is it not acceptable to lie?

You asked me when is it immoral and when is it not immoral and - seeing as I clearly and consistently cite deception as morally unsound - I gave you an example of how it might not be a moral issue to tell someone something that wasn't true. But you just ignored this attempt of mine to discuss the topic.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I asked when is it not acceptable to lie?

In cases when the kind of exceptions [that I gave examples of] do not apply.

Originally posted by FMF
You asked me when is it immoral and when is it not immoral and - seeing as I clearly and consistently cite deception as morally unsound - I gave you an example of how it might not be a moral issue to tell someone something that wasn't true. But you just ignored this attempt of mine to discuss the topic.

But why would you say 'deception' is morally unsound in general?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But why would you say 'deception' is morally unsound in general?

If you could just somehow recall any of the numerous times I have offered my views on morality and my justifications for it you'd already know the answer. Indeed, I have no doubt you do already know the answer but you think asking disingenuous question after asking disingenuous question constitutes discourse. Why are you still blanking out all the examples of my viewpoint that I have fed into our discussion?