Hitler

Originally posted by FMF
Lack of empathy. Varying degrees of sociopathy. I think in most cases a child that lies is mimicking others who populate its environment; and in the remaining cases may well be doing so as part of the trial and error involved in growing up. You seem to think it has something to do with supernatural beings.

What in your opinion causes 'a lack of empathy' and 'sociopathy' and is 'lying' for example, 'immoral' behavior in your opinion?

Originally posted by FMF
I don't remember this happening with my children. It may be caused by bad parental example - or that of other people they come into contact with. I certainly have no reason to believe that it is because of an inherent inclination to disobey a god that was passed down from Adam by way of male sperm etc. etc.

So why do you think children are not 'rebellious by nature'?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What in your opinion causes 'a lack of empathy' and 'sociopathy'...?

Inherited traits, experience, environment, interactions with others, abuse suffered when young, circumstances, opportunities, individuality, personhood, the arc of the narrative that makes us unique, the 'hard wiring' gone wrong, a whole raft of things. It is the human condition. You seem to think it has something to do with supernatural beings.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
is 'lying' for example, 'immoral' behavior in your opinion?

Very often yes, but not always.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So why do you think children are not 'rebellious by nature'?

What are you on about?

Originally posted by FMF
Inherited traits, experience, environment, interactions with others, abuse suffered when young, circumstances, opportunities, individuality, personhood, the arc of the narrative that makes us unique, the 'hard wiring' gone wrong, a whole raft of things. It is the human condition. You seem to think it has something to do with supernatural beings.

Do you believe humans were created by a supernatural being or do does the 'God you believe exists' have nothing to do with the human race? In other words what do you believe is the cause of the 'human condition'?

Originally posted by FMF
Very often yes, but not always.

So when is it immoral and when is it not immoral?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So when is it immoral and when is it not immoral?

We've discussed this in detail before. Not so long ago. If you can't remember, fair enough.

Originally posted by FMF
We've discussed this in detail before. Not so long ago. If you can't remember, fair enough.

If this is one of those times where you believe a lie is moral, fair enough... 😛

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Do you believe humans were created by a supernatural being or do does the 'God you believe exists' have nothing to do with the human race?

I don't actively believe that humans were created by a supernatural being but our apparent and demonstrated hard wiring leaves me open minded. As for the question of whether God has "nothing to do with the human race", I am unaware of any revelation by God regarding what it is He "has to do" with us, if that's what you mean.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If this is one of those times where you believe a lie is moral, fair enough... 😛

What are you on about? I have described my definition of morality in great detail previously. You ignored it for the most part when I did, and now you are pretending that I didn't address it when it came up before.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't actively believe that humans were created by a supernatural being but our apparent and demonstrated hard wiring leaves me open minded. As for the question of whether God has "nothing to do with the human race", I am unaware of any revelation by God regarding what it is He "has to do" with us, if that's what you mean.

So are you open to the possibility that God may have something to do with our 'hard wiring' or not? When exactly do you mean when you say it leaves you 'open minded'?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So are you open to the possibility that God may have something to do with our 'hard wiring' or not? When exactly do you mean when you say it leaves you 'open minded'?

I think what I said was perfectly clear. Why are you asking these questions. Go back and read what I wrote. I don't need to restate it.

Originally posted by FMF
What are you on about? I have described my definition of morality in great detail previously. You ignored it for the most part when I did, and now you are pretending that I didn't address it when it came up before.

I have never asked you specifically about lying, but then again if you were confident about your moral definitions you would welcome a moral discussion on lying. And since you believe there are circumstances where lying is acceptable, then the chances of you lying about something could certainly be statistically higher than zero.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I have never asked you specifically about lying, but then again if you were confident about your moral definitions you would welcome a moral discussion on lying.

If I were confident? What are you on about? When I described to you my beliefs about morality - which you seem to be 'forgetting' in order to generate content for your posts - I talked in detail about lying and deception and fraud.