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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If so, do you believe there are any actions that are intrinsically bad?
Rape and sexual abuse of children spring to mind.


Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Also, why would adultery be bad when when it causes things to happen that aren't necessarily bad by nature?
I have already explained when, why and how I think adultery is immoral. I suggest you go and read it again.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Yes I notice you are able to justify anything you want, even adultery since morality is a matter of personal preference whether you would like to admit it or not. It is the start of a slippery slope. I'm betting even Hitler was able to justify the holocaust.
True that about hitler. Don't know about the rest of your post.
Most people justify their actions even if they are cold blooded murderers.

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IMO no one is evil, only ignorant. Sometimes terribly ignorant (and terribly uneducated), but not inherently evil.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Or maybe you just made a statement that you cannot back up.
I really would have thought it obvious. No? Then maybe this is a good stopping place for me.

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Originally posted by FMF
Rape and sexual abuse of children spring to mind.
So therefore you believe it is universally true to say "Rape and sexual abuse of children is wrong"?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So therefore you believe it is universally true to say "Rape and sexual abuse of children is wrong"?
Isn't this just you asking the same question yet again? You asked me a question. And I answered it. Point blank. And now you ask me the same question again? Stop taking the piss.

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
IMO no one is evil, only ignorant. Sometimes terribly ignorant (and terribly uneducated), but not inherently evil.
Do you believe any action, thought or intention has inherent moral values?

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Originally posted by FMF
Isn't this just you asking the same question yet again? You asked me a question. And I answered it. Point blank. And now you ask me the same question again? Stop taking the piss.
Why won't you answer the question and admit that you believe in a universal truth? Why are you afraid to admit that?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Why won't you answer the question and admit that you believe in a universal truth? Why are you afraid to admit that?
I have answered your questions but you just keep ignoring what I say.

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Originally posted by FMF
I have answered your questions but you just keep ignoring what I say.
If you say that an action is intrinsically bad that implies that it is always wrong regardless of the circumstance, which means it is a moral absolute.

What exactly have you said that I have ignored?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What exactly have you said that I have ignored?
You are ignoring the content of my posts and simply asking about the same things over and over and over and over again. For instance, if you sincerely believe you have engaged my views on morality - adultery for example - with a counterargument of your own, show me where. Which post was it? Was it the one where you were wittering on about Hitler and the Holocaust?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What exactly have you said that I have ignored?
Do you have any response to this:

In so far as adultery harms others, involves deception or coercion, or the breaking contracts/promises, I think it is morally unsound.

The definition I get with a quick Google is "voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse". I would say that such a sexual relationship that has the willing and informed and uncoerced consent of the spouse and the arrangement is not achieved through the instigation of harm or deception or psychological pressure or threats [or any other forms of coercion] or the breaking of contracts or reneging on promises [that the spouse wants to be kept], then I don't see it as morally unsound.

That's my take on a range of human behaviours that collectively might be referred to as "adultery". If you agree with these views of mine, that's fine, it's good, it means we agree ~ and even if the way you arrived at having more or less the same views as me was because you read about it in a book or you think a supernatural being told you that adultery is immoral, then I'm fine with that.

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Originally posted by FMF
You are ignoring the content of my posts and simply asking about the same things over and over and over and over again. For instance, if you sincerely believe you have engaged my views on morality - adultery for example - with a counterargument of your own, show me where. Which post was it? Was it the one where you were wittering on about Hitler and the Holocaust?
What is really interesting here is that you can't get yourself to admit that you believe in a moral absolute. Why is that?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What is really interesting here is that you can't get yourself to admit that you believe in a moral absolute. Why is that?
I am not interested in your clumsy attempts to superimpose your subjective terminology onto the crystal clear responses and observations on morality I am offering. You once argued that a person getting angry with their sibling was "equally as evil as" murdering 6,000,000 people and you cited that as a "universal truth". So spare me your ludicrous terminology.

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