Hitler

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Do you believe [rape] would be wrong for all people or only yourself?

This has already been answered. Please stop repeating the same already-answered questions over and over again.

Originally posted by FMF
It's not that we are talking past each other. I am listening to what you are saying but you are ignoring what I am saying. Your stances entail you attaching all kinds of self-anointing terminology to your personal beliefs. These mean nothing to me.

How in your mind are my use of the common english words 'subjective' and 'objective', "self-anointing terminology to my personal beliefs"? Clearly you are the one rejecting the use of common english words for no particular reason.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How in your mind are my use of the common english words 'subjective' and 'objective', "self-anointing terminology to my personal beliefs"? You are the one rejecting the use of common english words for no particular reason.

The terminology you attach to your opinions is meaningless and it has no bearing on the moral repugnance of rape. You continue to dodge. I have asked you this question repeatedly and you have just blanked it out every time. You said that I would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong and you thanked me for "clarifying" it. How did you get that from me saying 'rape is wrong'?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How in your mind are my use of the common english words 'subjective' and 'objective', "self-anointing terminology to my personal beliefs"?

I have been explaining this over and over again but you have been ignoring it. Read my posts.

Originally posted by FMF
The terminology you attach to your opinions is meaningless and it has no bearing on the moral repugnance of rape. You continue to dodge. I have asked you this question repeatedly and you have just blanked it out every time. You said that I would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong and you thanked me for "clarifying" it. How did you get that from me saying 'rape is wrong'?

You said, "I will take away from this discussion the overall conclusion that your particular form of self-centred and self-righteous posturing is simply a function of your religiosity, which also seems to have deprived you of an ability to comprehend (or perhaps even tolerate) perspectives that differ from yours." Implying that you do tolerate perspectives that differ from yours. Meaning you would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong. If you think my assessment is incorrect, tell me directly would you or would you not tolerate the view that rape is not wrong?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I...tell me directly would you or would you not tolerate the view that rape is not wrong?

You have asked me this already (more than once) and I answered it point blank (each time). As you know, I see your facetious repetition of the same questions coupled with you ignoring the answers as a form of trolling.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You said, "I will take away from this discussion the overall conclusion that your particular form of self-centred and self-righteous posturing is simply a function of your religiosity, which also seems to have deprived you of an ability to comprehend (or perhaps even tolerate) perspectives that differ from yours." Implying that you do tolerate perspectives that differ from yours. Meaning you would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong.

Huh? Where did I say that I would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong?

I have suggested to you that you should surely be able to tolerate the notion that someone can condemn rape just like you even if they don't share your superstitious beliefs in supernatural causality and your penchant for aggrandizing your opinions.

How on earth did you get from that... to me supposedly tolerating the view that rape is not wrong? You're just taking the mickey.

Originally posted by FMF
Huh? Where did I say that I would tolerate the view that rape is not wrong?

I have suggested to you that you should surely be able to tolerate the notion that someone can condemn rape just like you even if they don't share you superstitions and your penchant for aggrandizing your opinions.

How on earth did you get from that... to me supposedly tolerating the view that rape is not wrong? You're just taking the mickey.

You were basically accusing me of not tolerating perspectives that are different to mine, and right now you are admitting that you would not tolerate a perspective that is different to yours. (i.e that rape is not wrong) That is hypocritical.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You were basically accusing me of not tolerating perspectives that are different to mine, and right now you are admitting that you would not tolerate a perspective that is different to yours. That is hypocritical.

Huh?

Try that again.

I accept that you condemn rape. And I accept the reasons you give are reasons you sincerely believe and are important to you.

Meanwhile, you insist that my condemnation of rape is meaningless and incoherent and illogical. The reason seems to be: I don't share your religious beliefs.

You've even suggested that I am open to condoning rape.

The lack of tolerance on display here is yours and not mine.

Originally posted by FMF
Huh?

Try that again.

I accept that you condemn rape. And I accept the reasons you give are reasons you sincerely believe and are important to you.

Meanwhile, you insist that my condemnation of rape is meaningless and incoherent and illogical. The reason seems to be: I don't share your religious beliefs.

You've even suggested that I am open to condoning rape.

The lack of tolerance on display here is yours and not mine.

Hold on. So you are saying the fact that you do not tolerate the view that 'rape is not wrong', is not a lack of tolerance on your side?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Hold on. So you are saying the fact that you do not tolerate the view that 'rape is not wrong', is [b]not a lack of tolerance on your side?[/b]

You seem to be equating me criticizing you for your dismissal of my condemnation of rape as meaningless (for reasons of me not sharing your beliefs in supernatural things), with me being open to the idea of condoning rape as morally justifiable.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So you are saying the fact that you do not tolerate the view that 'rape is not wrong', is [b]not a lack of tolerance on your side?[/b]

Neither of us accepts the view that rape is not wrong.

Originally posted by FMF
You seem to be equating me criticizing you for your dismissal of my condemnation of rape as meaningless (for reasons of me not sharing your beliefs in supernatural things), with me being open to the idea of condoning rape as morally justifiable.

When you say you would never tolerate the view that rape is not wrong you are being intolerant. Yet you accuse me of being intolerant. So that is the pot calling the kettle black. Aka a hypocrite.

Originally posted by FMF
Neither of us accepts the view that rape is not wrong.

So what does that have to do with you being intolerant of people who do hold the view that rape is not wrong?

FMF: Neither of us accepts the view that rape is not wrong.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So what does that have to do with you being intolerant of people who do hold the view that rape is not wrong?

But aren't you intolerant of people who do hold the view that rape is not wrong?