Originally posted by chaney3God was there, in Germany.
I have recently viewed photos of Jewish men, women and children killed in concentration camps.
Exterminated and starved.
Where was God?
We can look at all the terrible and plainly disgusting ways in witch mankind treats itself. And we can complain that God doesn't act as we think He should.
But He is still here
Originally posted by apathistGold is purified in a furnace. From a perspective devoid of God suffering makes no sense at all. With God you find meaning in suffering.
No, sir. There were only people there. Unless, well, shame on your creator gods, they love when we suffer?
“God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
C.S. Lewis
Not surprised that FMJ refuses to even acknowledge the following - no less address it. It leads to the flaw in the foundation of his position.
Societies may impose their conceptions of God on the people within those societies but if two different societies had different conceptions of God how would you ascertain which society had the correct conception of God?
There are tens of thousands of denominations of Christianity having different conceptions of God that are based on the Bible. Some are vastly different. How do you know yours is correct? Do you have an objective standard for the conception of God?
Without an objective standard for the conception of God, he has no "objective" basis for morality.
For example, many Christians believe the Bible indicates that one should be against capital punishment, yet many other Christians believe the exact opposite.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWithout gods, we find meaning in minimizing suffering. Lord knows we can't count on your God for that. Human effort is what makes things better.
Gold is purified in a furnace. From a perspective devoid of God suffering makes no sense at all. With God you find meaning in suffer
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNot surprised that Think of One, has not thought of one answer to any of my questions. Once he answers the question "Is the holocaust objectively wrong?" he will realise that he has to assume that an objective standard for right and wrong exists. Then he will realise that he will also have to defend the objective standard that he posits. Once he has done this I shall continue to answer his questions.
Not surprised that FMJ refuses to even acknowledge the following - no less address it. It leads to the flaw in the foundation of his position.
[quote]Societies may impose their conceptions of God on the people within those societies but if two different societies had different conceptions of God how would you ascertain which society had the correct con ...[text shortened]... one should be against capital punishment, yet many other Christians believe the exact opposite.