Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke You're floundering! Where do you swim to, where do you swim to?
Panic! Panic!
Actually without any absolutes you are the one who is floundering in an ocean of relativism. You must be wondering is that shark swimming to me or am I swimming to that shark.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk Actually without any absolutes you are the one who is floundering in an ocean of relativism. You must be wondering is that shark swimming to me or am I swimming to that shark.
Originally posted by chaney3 I have recently viewed photos of Jewish men, women and children killed in concentration camps.
Exterminated and starved.
Where was God?
God was there, in Germany.
We can look at all the terrible and plainly disgusting ways in witch mankind treats itself. And we can complain that God doesn't act as we think He should.
Originally posted by Pudgenik God was there, in Germany.
We can look at all the terrible and plainly disgusting ways in witch mankind treats itself. And we can complain that God doesn't act as we think He should.
Not surprised that FMJ refuses to even acknowledge the following - no less address it. It leads to the flaw in the foundation of his position.
Societies may impose their conceptions of God on the people within those societies but if two different societies had different conceptions of God how would you ascertain which society had the correct conception of God?
There are tens of thousands of denominations of Christianity having different conceptions of God that are based on the Bible. Some are vastly different. How do you know yours is correct? Do you have an objective standard for the conception of God?
Without an objective standard for the conception of God, he has no "objective" basis for morality.
For example, many Christians believe the Bible indicates that one should be against capital punishment, yet many other Christians believe the exact opposite.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk Gold is purified in a furnace. From a perspective devoid of God suffering makes no sense at all. With God you find meaning in suffer
Without gods, we find meaning in minimizing suffering. Lord knows we can't count on your God for that. Human effort is what makes things better.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne Not surprised that FMJ refuses to even acknowledge the following - no less address it. It leads to the flaw in the foundation of his position.
[quote]Societies may impose their conceptions of God on the people within those societies but if two different societies had different conceptions of God how would you ascertain which society had the correct con ...[text shortened]... one should be against capital punishment, yet many other Christians believe the exact opposite.
Not surprised that Think of One, has not thought of one answer to any of my questions. Once he answers the question "Is the holocaust objectively wrong?" he will realise that he has to assume that an objective standard for right and wrong exists. Then he will realise that he will also have to defend the objective standard that he posits. Once he has done this I shall continue to answer his questions.