1. Standard memberDarfius
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    12 Apr '05 20:28
    Good question.

    Let's first remember that though 'God is love.' is a true statement, Love is not His only attribute. Let's check out the rest of them: All-knowing, Eternal, All-powerful, Righteous, Holy, Just.

    God cannot be 'more' of one of His attributes than the others, because He is infinite in all of them.

    Hell is a place devoid of God. Totally. People go there because they spent their entire lives rejecting God. As such, He will not force Himself upon you after you die, because what will have changed? You will never love Him after you die if you didn't before you did. God is not interested in keeping people out of Hell, He's interested in getting them to Heaven. Heaven is a place of pure love, joy, peace and happiness because God is the source of all of that. Christians are simply in-training to be able to go to Heaven prepared, free of hate, sadness, strife and anger. We are not doing it ourselves. As we further our walk with Christ, He fills us with more of Himself, and as such, we become more of who we were meant to be.

    Now suppose God let just anyone into Heaven, sin and all. Those who had trusted in God on Earth are prepared for the inability to sin anymore, and they don't want to. But the sinner, who is still tainted with it, desires to do it, but can't. As such, they couldn't enjoy God and His attributes because they were never open to it. Hell is a self-induced punishment. Yes, it's the place you go for rejecting God, but He gave you a lifetime to see the error of your ways. He sent His children to warn you, He has His Word in every bookstore, His signature is in the night sky, and in nature. The Bible says that foolish men worship the created instead of the Creator. Some worship themselves, some worship women, some worship 'Mother Earth'. Why not worship the One who created everything?

    You may ask 'Why can't God just wipe away everyone's sin and let them into Heaven?' Well, do you think you are a sinner? Do you WANT forgiveness? Then God has already offered a way! His Son, Jesus Christ shed His sinless blood on the cross so that our faith could make us blameless in God's eyes. Many people, however, are unwilling or unable to forsake their pride and put faith in the One who gives them every breath they take. As such, because God is Just, and because all of our souls are eternal, He keeps them seperate from those who put their faith in the One who created them and rewards them and punishes the wicked. Let's face it, if the created refuses to give thanks and praise and love to its Creator, it is wicked.
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    12 Apr '05 20:33
    If anyone cares to go over what's already been said:

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=20926
  3. Standard memberDarfius
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    12 Apr '05 20:37
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    So...lessay that you go to a village in Tibet where there's no radio, television, very limited traffic in and out of the place, the terrain is very forbidding. So to date, no brave Christian souls have ventured forth to this place to preach the word and convert these heathens.

    Do they go to hell?

    What about the small children that died in the Boxing Day tsunami? Do they go to hell because they never received the Word?
    If they've never heard the Word, they are judged by how they acted in life. Was it righteous or not? God is Just, if they deserve Heaven, they go there, if not, they don't.

    All small children are innocent, and as such go to Heaven.
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    12 Apr '05 20:411 edit
    Originally posted by Darfius
    All small children are innocent, and as such go to Heaven.
    Then all we have to do is kill them right away, then we've granted them eternal heavenly bliss, isn't that right?
    No wait there's something wrong here...
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    12 Apr '05 20:42
    Originally posted by Darfius
    All small children are innocent, and as such go to Heaven.
    Who are you? The heavenly Maitre'd?

    Are all men/women not born with sin?
    How old are you when you lose your innocence?
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    12 Apr '05 20:43
    Originally posted by nickybutt
    Then all we have to do is kill them right away, then we've granted them eternal heavenly bliss, isn't that right?
    No wait there's something wrong here...
    Ah! Now there's a reason for abortion that the pro-lifers can really sink their teeth into! 😀
  7. Standard membertelerion
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    12 Apr '05 20:48
    Originally posted by Darfius
    If they've never heard the Word, they are judged by how they acted in life. Was it righteous or not? God is Just, if they deserve Heaven, they go there, if not, they don't.

    All small children are innocent, and as such go to Heaven.
    Mind doing us a little Arby Hill and referencing the scripture that backs up this claim?

    John 14:6
    "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Romans 3:21-25a
    But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.

    www.biblegateway.com (NIV)
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    12 Apr '05 20:53
    Originally posted by telerion
    Mind doing us a little Arby Hill and referencing the scripture that backs up this claim?

    John 14:6
    "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Romans 3:21-25a
    But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteo ...[text shortened]... nted him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.

    www.biblegateway.com (NIV)
    Jesus' description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25 clearly refutes Darfius' "two-tiered" approach to who gets into Heaven.
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    12 Apr '05 20:53
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    My point is this: you can read your book, which says that men who plant different crops in adjoining fields should be stoned to death, or you can admit that you don't know. .
    Could you give a reference?
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    12 Apr '05 20:57
    Originally posted by telerion
    Mind doing us a little Arby Hill and referencing the scripture that backs up this claim?

    John 14:6
    "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Romans 3:21-25a
    But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteo ...[text shortened]... nted him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.

    www.biblegateway.com (NIV)
    Psalms 98:9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

    He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;
    but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist. Isaiah 11:3-5

  11. Standard memberDarfius
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    12 Apr '05 20:59
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Jesus' description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25 clearly refutes Darfius' "two-tiered" approach to who gets into Heaven.
    no1, it takes a lot of prayer and self-control not to tell you the first words that pop into my mind when I see one of your hateful, seething posts.

    You do not understand what Matthew 25 is talking about.
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    12 Apr '05 21:00
    Originally posted by nickybutt
    Then all we have to do is kill them right away, then we've granted them eternal heavenly bliss, isn't that right?
    No wait there's something wrong here...
    If you kill the innocent you damn yourself. Wrong.
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    12 Apr '05 21:001 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Jesus' description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25 clearly refutes Darfius' "two-tiered" approach to who gets into Heaven.
    Mathew 25? What text? Parables are not what I'd call clear.

    If anything, it is a two tiered approach. Those who well go to hell and those who won't. Other than that, I don't think it's obvious.
  14. Standard memberDarfius
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    12 Apr '05 21:03
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Who are you? The heavenly Maitre'd?

    No. I know what God has deemed to reveal to me in His Word.

    Are all men/women not born with sin?

    Yes. But you are not held accountable for your sin until you understand what it is--called the 'age of accountability'--which can be interpreted as anywhere from 13 through 19.

    How old are you when you lose your innocence?

    See above.
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    12 Apr '05 21:08
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Psalms 98:9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

    He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;
    but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike th ...[text shortened]... d. Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist. Isaiah 11:3-5

    How does such an incredibly vague quote in Psalms override Jesus' specific description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25?
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