Originally posted by darvlay Who are you? The heavenly Maitre'd?
No. I know what God has deemed to reveal to me in His Word.
Are all men/women not born with sin?
Yes. But you are not held accountable for your sin until you understand what it is--called the 'age of accountability'--which can be interpreted as anywhere from 13 through 19.
Originally posted by Darfius Psalms 98:9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;
but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike th ...[text shortened]... d. Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist. Isaiah 11:3-5
How does such an incredibly vague quote in Psalms override Jesus' specific description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25?
Originally posted by Darfius Originally posted by darvlay [b]Who are you? The heavenly Maitre'd?
No. I know what God has deemed to reveal to me in His Word.
Are all men/women not born with sin?
Yes. But you are not held accountable for your sin until you understand what it is--called the 'age of accountability'--which can be interpreted as anywhere from 13 through 19.
How old are you when you lose your innocence?
See above.[/b]
This is where my brother and I differ. I believe we are sinners at conception. There is nothing more selfish than an infant. But it is worse for those who no the law and reject it.
I don't know if infants will go to heaven. I think so will and some won't. There's nothing that I find clear in scripture to indicate infants have special status.
What I believe is infant's may go to heaven, but it would be wishful thinking on my part to assert they will.
Originally posted by Coletti Mathew 25? What text? Parables are not what I'd call clear.
If anything, it is a two tiered approach. Those who well go to hell and those who won't. Other than that, I don't think it's obvious.
If the words of Jesus do not qualify then neither do vague snips of Psalms or Isaiah.
The verses I gave from Romans clearly demonstrate that according to the word of God all who have not been justified by the sacrifice of Christ are wicked, period.
Darfius' post failed to address this. His verses said nothing about a child being innocent. It also failed to point out how a person who never heard the word of God could live a righteous life.
Originally posted by no1marauder How does such an incredibly vague quote in Psalms override Jesus' specific description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25?
Specific? Parables are anything but specific. Are you going to point it out are just repeat the blanket statement. No need to quote, just give a reference.
Originally posted by no1marauder How does such an incredibly vague quote in Psalms override Jesus' specific description of Judgment Day in Matthew 25?
It doesn't. Matthew 25 is referring to those who call themselves believers. True believers do good works for selfless reasons. False believers either don't or do them for praise like Pharisees.
Originally posted by Coletti Mathew 25? What text? Parables are not what I'd call clear.
If anything, it is a two tiered approach. Those who well go to hell and those who won't. Other than that, I don't think it's obvious.
Are you joking? Matthew 25: 31-46 is Jesus SPECIFICALLY describing Judgment Day! Do you consider that a "parable"??
When I said "Darfius' two-tiered approach" I obviously was referring to his view that people who heard the Word are judged on certain criteria and people who have not heard the Word are judged on different criteria. Your reading comprehension is pathetic, Coletti.
Originally posted by Coletti Specific? Parables are anything but specific. Are you going to point it out are just repeat the blanket statement. No need to quote, just give a reference.
Try reading the actual Bible for a change, rather than the Westminister Statement of Faith or whatever. Matthew 25:31-46
Originally posted by telerion If the words of Jesus do not qualify then neither do vague snips of Psalms or Isaiah.
The verses I gave from Romans clearly demonstrate that according to the word of God all who have not been justified by the sacrifice of Christ are wicked, period.
Darfius' post failed to address this. His verses said nothing about a child being innocent. It also ...[text shortened]... the word of God could live a righteous life.
Originally posted by Darfius It doesn't. Matthew 25 is referring to those who call themselves believers. True believers do good works for selfless reasons. False believers either don't or do them for praise like Pharisees.
Learn what you're talking about before you do.
I defy you to find in Matthew 25 where it says believers only will be judged by those standards. Matthew 32 says specifically: "and before him shall be gathered all the nations"! Do you know what the word "ALL" means?????
Originally posted by no1marauder Are you joking? Matthew 25: 31-46 is Jesus SPECIFICALLY describing Judgment Day! Do you consider that a "parable"??
When I said "Darfius' two-tiered approach" I obviously was referring to his view that people who heard the Word are judged on certain criteria and people who have not heard the Word are judged on different criteria. Your reading comprehension is pathetic, Coletti.
That depends. Are you a goat or a sheep.
It's a parable.
Mat 25:33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
Originally posted by telerion Surely Coletti, you agree with this?
Now I have to spend hours finding every verse in the Bible that shows what I'm saying to be true?
Are you calling me a liar, tel? Are you purposely being difficult so as to put God in a bad light if I refuse to find the verse you can look up yourself?
How can a God of love send somebody to hell?
12 Apr '05 21:03
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