Originally posted by lucifershammerForgive the recourse to inductive reasoning here, but I think this forum furnishes ample evidence to suggest that the prevailing tendency among Christians is not in fact to withdraw their statements about God when such statements are shown to be problematic.
I don't know why "so many" Christians jump through hoops. Maybe they don't really jump through hoops -- maybe they just posit hypotheses. If these hypotheses are shown to have some apparent problems they do what any rational person would do and withdraw it to see whether it can be improved or should be ditched altogether.
It's much more common to see people try to do a few logical backflips, or to resort to an ad hominem attack, or both.
People get mad when you try to make them think differently about something they love: that is, to think about that something in a way that they suspect will be unpleasant.
Of course, the same principle obtains on the agnostic side of the aisle.
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The post that was quoted here has been removedThat is because you were believing in the wrong God.
GOD say in Quran:
2:155: And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger , and loss of wealth and lives and crops ; but give glad tidings to the steadfast ,
2:156: Who say , when a misfortune striketh them : Lo! we are Allah s and Lo! unto Him we are returning .
2:157: Such are they on whom are blessings from their Lord , and mercy . Such are the rightly guided .
So if you believe in the real GOD you will know that he was trying you, and you simply failed. You expect your GOD to give you everything, while you pretend to believe in him.
Not believing in GOD will not solve your problem. There are many verses in Quran describe your state and what happens to you, if you like I get them to you. You must know that GOD created you to worship him, to follow his way, and to accept your destiny.
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Back to the topic of the thread, I believe in GOD because I know him, when ever I read his words, I got more knowladge about him.
Where is the words of GOD,? It is in Quran, and some of his words remain in the Bible (my be 10% or less of the Bible).
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Originally posted by ahosyneyAt the very last second I realized that this was not in fact Hand of Hecate out for another goof.
That is because you were believing in the wrong God.
GOD say in Quran:
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2:155: And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger , and loss of wealth and lives and crops ; but give glad tidings to the steadfast ,
2:156: Who say , when a misfortune striketh them : Lo! we are Allah s and Lo! unto Him we are returning .
2:157: Such ...[text shortened]... It is in Quran, and some of his words remain in the Bible (my be 10% or less of the Bible).[/b]
Whew! That was a close one.
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Originally posted by lucifershammerI suppose its possible to argue to the existence of anything, but is it a convincing argument? If so, then why are you the only person I have ever met who quotes Thomas Aquinas? Why is such an argument not better known?
How do I know God is telling the truth? That's actually easier to answer -- it's possible (though not uncomplicated -- St. Thomas Aquinas takes about half a volume to get there) to argue from first principles to the existence of a God who is truthful.
Originally posted by twhiteheadOperative word being "possibly".
But a moment ago you were happy with the "Only God knows" defense which clearly implies that the evidence is not there and is possibly contradictory.
My suffering is consistent both with a loving God and a non-loving God, or no God at all. I need not know exactly how and why my suffering is necessary to know that it's perfectly possible it is necessary (perhaps just as I do not need to know why a leaf is green to know that it is green).
So the suffering issue does not decide one way or another for me -- and I look to other evidence.
Originally posted by twhiteheadMaybe because a lot of people prefer Thursday to Wednesday simply because it's Thursday.
I suppose its possible to argue to the existence of anything, but is it a convincing argument? If so, then why are you the only person I have ever met who quotes Thomas Aquinas? Why is such an argument not better known?
Actually, there is quite a significant revival of interest in Aquinas and has been for some time. Christian philosophers (even the non-Catholic ones) build on his work all the time.
Which argument are you talking about? The argument to God's truthfulness?
Originally posted by ahosyneyI belive in the Bible everything it has ever said has and will come true 🙂
That is because you were believing in the wrong God.
GOD say in Quran:
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2:155: And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger , and loss of wealth and lives and crops ; but give glad tidings to the steadfast ,
2:156: Who say , when a misfortune striketh them : Lo! we are Allah s and Lo! unto Him we are returning .
2:157: Such ...[text shortened]... OD,? It is in Quran, and some of his words remain in the Bible (my be 10% or less of the Bible).
Originally posted by lucifershammerI dont really get what you are saying either
Maybe because a lot of people prefer Thursday to Wednesday simply because it's Thursday.
Actually, there is quite a significant revival of interest in Aquinas and has been for some time. Christian philosophers (even the non-Catholic ones) build on his work all the time.
Which argument are you talking about? The argument to God's truthfulness?