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    26 Aug '10 21:20
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Mutations usually harm the species, not improve it.
    As I understand it, a mutation is simply a sudden change in the genetic pattern that is not inherited but caused by external factors. Mutations can certainly be beneficial for the continued survival of the species if the change it causes better adapts the species to its environment.
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    27 Aug '10 03:36
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    As I understand it, a mutation is simply a sudden change in the genetic pattern that is not inherited but caused by external factors. Mutations can certainly be beneficial for the continued survival of the species if the change it causes better adapts the species to its environment.
    Big if, wrongly applied.
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    27 Aug '10 03:38
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Chickens can swim underwater?
    Surely you've heard of Chicken-of-the-Sea?
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    27 Aug '10 03:47
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Mutations usually harm the species, not improve it.
    You say it yourself. "Usually". Not always. In same cases it makes the species better in some way. This is called evolution. You describe one detail of evolution very well. Have you became a evolutionist all of a sudden?
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    27 Aug '10 04:30
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    You say it yourself. "Usually". Not always. In same cases it makes the species better in some way. This is called evolution. You describe one detail of evolution very well. Have you became a evolutionist all of a sudden?
    "All of a sudden?" Ought'n there be some transitional phase?
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    27 Aug '10 04:433 edits
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    "All of a sudden?" Ought'n there be some transitional phase?
    JW are not a species. Therefore they don't follow biologcial laws. Homo fundamentalistis? No, I don't think so. Probably some kind of homo however...
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    27 Aug '10 11:44
    Consider, for a moment, the evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
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    27 Aug '10 12:211 edit
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Mutations usually harm the species, not improve it.
    This is incorrect. The vast majority of mutations in an organism have no consequence as the majority of DNA does not encode protein in humans at least (a large portion of human DNA appears to be viral in origin but I wouldn't trouble you with the details). The result of a random mutation therefore in the human genome is that it does not exert a change in structure or function of a protein and is thus considered a "neutral" event. A mutation in a coding region of a gene or in nearby elements influencing its expression would potentially lead to selection by changing fitness and this could indeed be advantageous or not to the organism and then would potentially be subject to selection and the corresponding alteration of gene frequencies.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_theory_of_molecular_evolution
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    27 Aug '10 17:20
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Can you explain why you believe that?
    How many fossils do you believe should exist and why? Do you know what the rates of fossilization are? ie do you know what percentage of living things that die become fossilized? What conditions are necessary for fossilization?
    Roughly how many fossils do you believe there should be, and how many do you believe there actually are?
    Thanks for being patient with me 🙂
    Honestly I have no answer for those questions. The only answer I guess is the time factor. If millions of years then there should be more fossilization and transitional species just by virtue of that fact right? More time more chances of it happening. I vaguely remember that fossilization occurs with sediment and pressure.


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    27 Aug '10 17:22
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    The late evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould had an answer to this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

    Basically, he argues that species remain static for most of their history (say, for millions of years), and then particular conditions lead them to evolve relatively quickly and dramatically (say, over tens of thousands of years) into new forms. This explains why, while there are transitional fossils, they are quite rare.
    Thanks for the link I'll check it.
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    27 Aug '10 17:30
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Big if, wrongly applied.
    If it's not beneficial then the organism will die without bearing many offspring and the mutation will be naturally selected out of the the species.
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    27 Aug '10 17:44
    Originally posted by menace71
    Thanks for the link I'll check it.
    I get the jest of this theory. So stupid question what is the difference between mutation with in a species and evolution? Crap I'm more confused now!! 🙂 Adaptation is when a species somehow changes to overcome an obstacle right? Example a species suddenly changes color so that it becomes less visible to a predator that usually eats said species right?



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    27 Aug '10 17:54
    Eldredge and Gould proposed that the degree of gradualism commonly attributed to Charles Darwin is virtually nonexistent in the fossil record, and that stasis dominates the history of most fossil species.


    This just supports the argument of the missing transitional species within the fossil record. The theory is to argue why stasis is what is found. A creationist can say all it does is point out the obvious.

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    27 Aug '10 22:30
    Originally posted by avalanchethecat
    Consider, for a moment, the evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
    Neglected to set the timer; spent nearly 12 hours on the topic. Now what?
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    27 Aug '10 22:33
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    If it's not beneficial then the organism will die without bearing many offspring and the mutation will be naturally selected out of the the species.
    Mutations are never beneficial for life. Original poster supposed otherwise.
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