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As the Bible traces the downward plunge of morality in the society which disowned God the Creator, this is what it says about the "critical thinking" of the men and women of Sodom:
"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to uncleaness, so that they dishoner their bodiers among themselves."
Who exhanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Therefore God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature;
And likewise also the males, leaving the natural use of the female, burned in their craving toward one another, males with males committing unseemliness and fully receving in themselves the tretribution of their error which was due.
And even as they did not approve of holding God in their full knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mind, to do the things which are not fitting. (Romans 1:24-28)
Giving oneself over to unbridled and greedy lust can lead to having a "disapproved mind." What are the critical thinking skills of a mind that God counts as "disapproved" on the life of Christ and the word of God?
Warped reasonings and warped logics issue from a disapproved mind. Repentence is needed for the mind to be unwarped and healed.
Yet here we have one who glories in his perversion. Here we have one not repentent but boasting and advertizing that he is "Sodomy Incarnate."
I'm afraid such a one may have already been given up by God to a mind that could never be approved by God. Should I trust the "critical thinking" from a mind possibly disapproved? No I should not. Not until there is repentence.
Originally posted by jaywillI know my own sexuality completely, why do you keep suggesting I don't?
Nope it's just that anybody who boasts of being "Sodomy Incarnate" advertizes that they don't have enough clarity of mind to know their own sexuality.
Now having unfurled your flag you want to backpeddle on it. I guess that's some progress.
It's your advertizing.
How am I backpeddling?
Advertising? Wtf are you talking about?
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Originally posted by jaywillCritical thinking is not something that you put trust in, it is derived from logical reasoning, something which is not open to the addition of truth values on any emotional level. To trust or deny trust to someone on the supposed basis of critical thinking just illustrates you have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone is open to fits of emotional outburst and irrationality and sometimes their use of critical thinking is incorrect, but few people are as ineffectual as you at using it.
As the Bible traces the downward plunge of morality in the society which disowned God the Creator, this is what it says about the "critical thinking" of the men and women of Sodom:
"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to uncleaness, so that they dishoner their bodiers among themselves."
Who exhanged the truth of God for a li " from a mind possibly disapproved? No I should not. Not until there is repentence.
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Originally posted by StarrmanYour critical thinking was bogus. You tried to explain away the fact that the ancient priests knew where the Messiah was to be born. They told the visitors that it would be Bethlehem.
Critical thinking is not something that you put trust in, it is derived from logical reasoning, something which is not open to the addition of truth values on any emotional level. To trust or deny trust to someone on the supposed basis of critical thinking just illustrates you have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone is open to fits of emotional o ...[text shortened]... ir use of critical thinking is incorrect, but few people are as ineffectual as you at using it.
Your excuse is that that was Christian propoganda after the fact. No that was the reason why Herod had all the young boys from two years old and under slain by the sword - because he didn't want to hear about any so-called "born ... king" living in his domain.
I want to see what someone else has to say. You haven't gotten to first base yet.
In the meanwhile you can contemplate the number of people mentioned in the New Testament which are confirmed by non Christian sources:
Jesus
Agrippa I
Agrippa II
Ananias
Annas
Aretas
Bernice
Caiaphas
Ceasar Agustus
Claudius
Drusilla (wife of Felix)
A certain Egyptian false prophet
Erastus
Felix
Gallio
Herod Antipas
Herod Archalaus
Herod the Great
Herod Philip I
Herod Philip II
Herodias
Salome (daughter of Herodias)
James
John the Baptist
Judas the Galilean
Lysanias
Pilate
Quirinius
Porcius Festus
Sergius Paulus
Tiberius Ceasar
The existence of all of these people who are mentioned in the New Testament are confirmed in writings of ancient non-Christian sources.
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Originally posted by StarrmanOh "Sodomy Incarnate" under you're tag doesn't mean your a loud and proud Sodomite?
I know my own sexuality completely, why do you keep suggesting I don't?
How am I backpeddling?
Advertising? Wtf are you talking about?
Ask 20 English speaking readers of that phrase and ask them what they would expect of the person who describes himself as "Sodomy Incarnate".
I doubt that they would regard such advertizement to indicate anything but a person of greedy and unbridled homosexual sexual lust.
Its your advertizing. Why are you annoyed with me because I get the message?
Then I point out what the New Testament says about the condition of the mind of such a person given over to be the very incarnation of what went on at Sodom in Genesis, and some wisecracker tries to tie that to politics.
It a matter of politics.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemAs long as I can get people like you exposed that they have no philosophy that compares to Christ and His teaching I'm doing fine right here.
Well, you should. Your talents are wasted here.
Really doesn't take much "talent" to expose your proverty of a world view.
Originally posted by jaywillWow, you are something else. You just cannot get simple concepts into your head. Lets try really slowly, I'll even keep the language simple for you. Prophecies have been made since time began. The Jews were looking for a militant leader who would free them from oppression, and not some lovey-dovey turn the otehr cheek guy. To them Jesus was just some dude that angered the Romans and got killed for it, end of. So for you to claim that Jesus fulfilled the Jewish prophecy is contrary to the belief of the writers of that prophecy. Now as to propaganda after the fact, the claiming of Jesus as the Messiah in the bible, by the cult of Christianity is subsequent to his death. Thus it's pretty simple to say 'oh, here's a guy that was born in Bethlehem, he was executed and we'll use him as a figurehead to encourage people to join our faith. They even took the Jewish religious books as basis for this to help exact that post-prophecy. Herod's knowledge of the prophecy and his subsequent actions do nothing to prove that Jesus was the son of God, how hard is that for you to understand?
Your critical thinking was bogus. You tried to explain away the fact that the ancient priests knew where the Messiah was to be born. They told the visitors that it would be Bethlehem.
Your excuse is that that was Christian propoganda after the fact. No that was the reason why Herod had all the young boys from two years old and under slain by the sword ...[text shortened]... e mentioned in the New Testament are confirmed in writings of ancient non-Christian sources.
As to your list of people that existed, umm... well done, that proves... err.... nothing, unless you can prove that their names appear in books written before their lifetimes prophecising their existence maybe?
Originally posted by jaywillFirstly, sodomy is any non-coital act, eg. fellatio, anal sex, blood play etc.
Oh "Sodomy Incarnate" under you're tag doesn't mean your a loud and proud Sodomite?
Ask 20 English speaking readers of that phrase and ask them what they would expect of the person who describes himself as "Sodomy Incarnate".
I doubt that they would regard such advertizement to indicate anything but a person of greedy and unbridled homosexual sex ...[text shortened]... Genesis, and some wisecracker tries to tie that to politics.
It a matter of politics.
Secondly, you have not explained how I am back-pedalling, nor how I am unsure of my sexuality.
Now how about we get back to the actual debate, instead of exploring my sexual nature. That is unless you're actually really interested, I've always thought you hardcore theists were probably closet deviants...
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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemHere is the verse you are refering to:
"Christ's" gospel has a terrible track record of dealing with human issues. For example, the condemnation of "looking at a woman to lust after her" as adultery.
"You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman in order to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
So if your righjt eye stumbles you, pluck it out and cat it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish than for your whole body be cast into Gehenna." (Mattew 5:27,28)
Here Christ compares His kingdom teaching to the law of Moses. It is more penetrating. He shows that it is not simply the outward action which causes an offense. It is the inner motive which must be under self control.
Christ is not speaking of seeing a brautiful woman. He is talking about the second look not the first look. No one can avoid seeing atttractive woman. Even God made female attraction as a part of His creation. What Jesus is talking about is not seeing but gazing with lust in the heart. I am sure that the context is not having self control especially to those who are already married, i.e. it concerns "adultery".
Every man should quickly realize that they fail in this penetrating test. And in our own power most of us are not able to be so pure. He doesn't expect that we would with our own power.
He expects that we would be regenerated with the indwelling Holy Spirit of God and be empowered to overcome the lack of self control. For this reason He became the life giving Holy Spirit:
"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
A life giving Spirit is a Christ giving Spirit. That is the Holy Spirit gives the man Jesus Christ as a realm to live in - "Abide in Me and I in you" (John 15:4) .
One of the fruits of the Holy Spirit dwelling in man is "self control" (Galatians 5:23). The offenses of lust like adultery and fornication are due to man's lack of self control.
Part of the byproducts of being indwelt by the life giving Spirit is the recovery of normal healthy human self control. To receive Christ the Savior and Lord is to allow Him to recover not only God empowering but proper human self control.
The teaching is to His disciples. This means that for those who are already disciples of Jesus Christ expects the we would deal with the motive of such a sin as adultery with seriousness.
Cearly He does not expect people to cut out their eyes. This would not solve the problem of man's lust anyway. The expression, in light of further teaching by the experienced apostles, means to let the Holy Spirit crucify the lack of self control in our fleshly members:
"For if you live according to the flesh, you must die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the practices of the body, you will live" (Romans 8:13)
The man who has received the Holy Spirit as the life giving Spirit must learn to apply the Holy Spirit to put to death the lustful practices of the body.
The Holy Spirit not only penetrates deep within a man's heart to expose the motive and reasoning behind the lustful "second" look. The Holy Spirit puts to death the practices of the lustful members. The man is sancfified and gains normal Godly self control.
Perfect self control is important to the successful married life. Christ control leads to self control. One's humanity becomes "Jesusly human".
The teaching of Matthew 5:27 is therefore very pure and very adaquate to deal not only with the symptoms of sexual sins but the causes of them.
In the whole section of teaching Jesus says "You therefore shall be perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect."
He is not speaking of any perfection man can attain except that which comes from being born of His Father. That is having His Father's divine life implanted within him in the new birth and transformation.
Sons of the Father can grow to be perfect in the highest level of morality among humans on earth by the indwelling empowerment of the Father.
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Originally posted by jaywillBoy you sure are needy. No wonder you are so delusional.
I asked you what do you have to offer that is superior to Jesus Christ?
I asked you what do you offer me that surpasses the Eternal Father?
What will your philosophy (whatever it is) offer man that surpasses eternal life and redemptive love through Jesus Christ the Lord?