Originally posted by jaywillIn other words, "If it doesn't make me feel good, then I'm not interested in it."
I asked you what do you have to offer that is superior to Jesus Christ?
I asked you what do you offer me that surpasses the Eternal Father?
What will your philosophy (whatever it is) offer man that surpasses eternal life and redemptive love through Jesus Christ the Lord?
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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemShow me the word "feelings" or "feeling" in the above request that I wrote.
In other words, "If it doesn't make me feel good, then I'm not interested in it."
Did I refer to feelings? And if I did mention feelings does that make the request wrong in and of itself for that reason? Are feelings not a ligitimate component of my entire humanity?
Christ said to love the Lord with our whole heart and whole mind and whole strength and whole will. He included all of the aspects of my humanity. So then why should I eliminate emotion from my pursuit of truth?
As it stands, I mentioned nothing particular about feelings. I implied total quality in terms of what is superior. And if you are any other poster can demonstrate that they have a philosophy which is in any way of a higher quality than the Person of Jesus Christ then let them set it forth for comparison.
What do you offer the human race which is superior to the redemptive plan in Christ taught in the New Testament? Where lies the quality in your philosophy which is more precious and more real than Jesus Christ?
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Salvation in Christ addresses and speaks to the entire humanity of man plus his total environment.
The human spirit is regenerated. The human soul is transformed. The human body is transfigured and resurrected. The human personality is conformed to the image of the Son of God.
The human being is nuilt up in oneness in the corporate Body of Christ. Plus nature itself is subdued and the environment rescued from decay and corruption.
Christ's salvation is extensive. It is as far reaching as the whole universe. It is just and filled with justice. It is filled with mercy to those who are not so hardened in heart as to reject Him. It is filled with power within those who excercise their faith in Him.
Christ has the approvedness of many centries of opposition which have not been able to silence Him.
The foolish poster who cynically refered to "Superdaddy" is still silent on showing us how his philosophy is of a more reliable truth than the life and teaching of Jesus.
Originally posted by XanthosNZI like a man of few words. But you're going to have to elaborate on that little quip.
Critical Thinking?
So rather than wrestle with a strawman I'll just wait for you to tell me what you mean.
I suppose your "critical thinking" has led you to join the side of people crying out "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" in unbelief.
So do you stand with the unbelieving mob with your "critical thinking"? Or do you stand with critically considering that maybe there is something of truth with this man Jesus of Nazareth?
Do the "critical thinking" deny that Jesus is Son of God?
Originally posted by jaywillCritical Thinking tells me that there is no evidence to suggest that a person called Jesus was actually the Son of God (try as you might you can't argue that there is) and as this is the case there is no reason to believe that it is true (other than the hilarious Pascal's Wager).
I like a man of few words. But you're going to have to elaborate on that little quip.
So rather than wrestle with a strawman I'll just wait for you to tell me what you mean.
I suppose your "critical thinking" has led you to join the side of people crying out "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" in unbelief.
So do you stand with the unbelieving mob with ...[text shortened]... man Jesus of Nazareth?
Do the "critical thinking" deny that Jesus is Son of God?
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Originally posted by jaywillThe so called 'redemptive plan' is either genuine or not. It is not a matter of quality in the way it is set forth but whether or not it is valid. Whether or not what I have to offer (atheism) is superior is a matter of personal opinion. You certainly cannot show conclusively or prove that the aforementioned 'redemptive plan' is in any way superior to atheism.
What do you offer the human race which is superior to the redemptive plan in Christ taught in the New Testament? Where lies the quality in your philosophy which is more precious and more real than Jesus Christ?
Christ has the approvedness of many centries of opposition which have not been able to silence Him.
'approvedness' is a new word for me and doesn't appear to exist in any dictionary. What exactly do you mean by the sentence? Are you saying that because some people over the course of many centuries have attempted to 'silence' a message and failed then the messages is necessarily valid? Does that mean that you are soon to become a Muslim? Surely Mohamed has acquired far more 'approvedness' than Jesus Christ? Other beliefs such as racism must also be gaining a significant amount of 'approvedness' over the years too!
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Originally posted by XanthosNZHow do I know that your problem is with evidence? Before I received Christ I didn't want to see any evidence. To speak of searching for God was like speaking of a mouse searching for a cat.
Critical Thinking tells me that there is no evidence to suggest that a person called Jesus was actually the Son of God (try as you might you can't argue that there is) and as this is the case there is no reason to believe that it is true (other than the hilarious Pascal's Wager).
I have a suspicion that you have a strong prior commitment that you want no Lord in your life. So you are armed with reasonings that anyone demonstrating divine authority of a Lord is to be dismissed immediately.
Maybe you're like the mouse who is seeking to avoid the cat. Not that you are prey and Christ is predator. But you may have convinced yourself that that is the relationship that exists with any Son of God who says "Come to me" and yourself.
I was an unbeliever once. I recall my attitudes. And I think you're probably not that much different.
So you think that some Galilean fishermen concocted a fictional character named Jesus and put words in His mouth?
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AthousandYoung,
This message is expressly for you. It is nice that you have a lot of people jump in and engage me on your behalf on on their own. But my question to you still stands to you specifically. I may be distracted with others but I still want you to follow up your "Superdaddy" comment with what I asked.
What do you have that is superior to Jesus Christ and His Father?
I won't count other's answers as your answer on this. And if you don't have anything you regard as a philosophy or truth that is of higher quality than Jesus just let us know plainly.
Originally posted by jaywillJust about anything is superior to a myth/lie/fabrication. Any empirically supported material thing should do it...umm.. how about sellotape? That should fit the criteria.
AthousandYoung,
This message is expressly for you. It is nice that you have a lot of people jump in and engage me on your behalf on on their own. But my question to you still stands to you specifically. I may be distracted with others but I still want you to follow up your "Superdaddy" comment with what I asked.
What do you have that is superior ...[text shortened]... ard as a philosophy or truth that is of higher quality than Jesus just let us know plainly.
Originally posted by jaywillActually I think most of the Jesus story was copied from earlier religions such as Mithraism.
How do I know that your problem is with evidence? Before I received Christ I didn't want to see any evidence. To speak of searching for God was like speaking of a mouse searching for a cat.
I have a suspicion that you have a strong prior commitment that you want no Lord in your life. So you are armed with reasonings that anyone demonstrating divine a ...[text shortened]... Galilean fishermen concocted a fictional character named Jesus and put words in His mouth?
The rest of your post is an attempt to claim that I have some vested interest in denying Jesus as the Son of God and isn't even worth addressing.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI regard the gospel as vastly superior to your atheism. In your atheism all the evil doers will only comfortably melt away into dust.
The so called 'redemptive plan' is either genuine or not. It is not a matter of quality in the way it is set forth but whether or not it is valid. Whether or not what I have to offer (atheism) is superior is a matter of personal opinion. You certainly cannot show conclusively or prove that the aforementioned 'redemptive plan' is in any way superior to ath ...[text shortened]... ism must also be gaining a significant amount of 'approvedness' over the years too!
What incentive is there to not do evil in your atheism? In regards to Christ's words I am not getting away with anything.
It is not a matter of whether I have been redeemed eternally or not. Even if I have been given forgiveness and eternal life I still am not going to get away with anything. I know that I personally have to be conformed to the image of Christ.
I know that God will take whatever time He needs to transform me and conform me to the image of the Son of God. If He cannot complete the process in this age of grace He will continue in the next age of the millennial kingdom. Sooner or latter I will be conformed to the image of the Son of God by His redemptive plan.
In your atheism you look forward to no resurrection and no final accountability. All evil doers will only turn to dust and be no more. That is not just. That is not fair. Even if I personally liked it because it got me off the hook, I still acknowledge that it is not just.
You may think that some process of Evolution will take care of man's defects eventually. But that won't touch you personally.
So I count God's plan of ultimate accountibility vastly superior to your godless atheism.
Originally posted by XanthosNZThat Mithraism stuff is something you laid hold on from Internet skeptics. You're not even too sure of it but it sounds kind of handy.
Actually I think most of the Jesus story was copied from earlier religions such as Mithraism.
The rest of your post is an attempt to claim that I have some vested interest in denying Jesus as the Son of God and isn't even worth addressing.
Christ does confront one to have to make a decision. It is hard to remain neutral your whole life about Jesus.
You will have to decide to oppose or accept. I think at present you are on the road to opposing. Trying to remain neutral is nice. But you already show signs of arming yourself with good reasons why you can deny that Jesus is Lord.
In your case you are taking the route of denying Jesus is Lord because He is not unique. I mean "Jesus is just like Mithraism, I think. Or somebody told me." So you don't take Mithraism as significant. Why then should you take the Christ Who says "Come unto Me ..." anymore seriously.
Lump Christ in with all the insiginificant religions as to reduce the sense of uniqueness. That's the plan of rejection you are preasently developing.
Soon Mithraism will not be enough. You will have to add to that a dozen other possibilities. "There is safety in numbers."
Originally posted by jaywillSo are you saying that in your opinion one idea is superior to if it encourages people to be just? Or if it appears 'fair' to you?
I regard the gospel as vastly superior to your atheism. In your atheism all the evil doers will only comfortably melt away into dust.
What incentive is there to not do evil in your atheism? In regards to Christ's words I am not getting away with anything.
It is not a matter of whether I have been redeemed eternally or not. Even if I have been giv ...[text shortened]...
So I count God's plan of ultimate accountibility vastly superior to your godless atheism.
Does the truth matter at all?
Surely that makes the flying spaghetti monsters 'Supremely Just Plan' far superior to anything that Jesus came up with.
I still don't quite understand how you reconcile the conflicting concepts of forgiveness and justice.
Unless a specific goal is defined, superiority is a mater of personal opinion and not an inherent property of something.
Your claim that the Gospel is superior to Atheism is like saying:
"Cows are superior to elephants."
Then when asked why you reply: "well because they have horns of course!"