05 Aug 10
Ms. Rice seems to think being pro science, gay rights, a Democrat, and a plethora of other things are antithetical to her being a Christian. Nowhere in any Bible will you find the words, "You are saved by grace, through faith in your savior, the Lord Jesus Christ--- and your political affiliation, your stance on women's rights, etc....." It stops right after the word "Christ". Now she may say that she will continue to serve Christ but not be a Christian. I think that's a little like saying I'm going to go into the porn business, but I'm not taking my clothes off. But, I think she, like a lot of people, have simply run into people who profess to be Christians and act anything but. Christians are NOT perfect people, and not ALL people who say they are Christians truly are. If "hypocrites in the pews" or "people who are ultra conservative" scare you that much, and your self-esteem is so low that being in their company would cause you to have an anxiety attack, by all means, worship at home. But really---there are plenty of us Christians who are quite "with" the geological, astronoimical, and physical discoveries that have occurred over the years. Simply looking in a telescope at a star whose light has taken 8 billion light years to get to my mirror and reflected into my retina TELLS be that 8 billion years have passed. Now, if this causes some to have problems with their Christian beliefs, I don't know what to tell them, except to say it only strengthens my belief in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost.
05 Aug 10
If you don't want to be a Christian because of "hypocrites", what does that mean?
Christ and all that he did doesn't mean enough to you, to over come that? If the
hypocrites are standing between you and God, than your in a sorry place since
that means even hypocrites are closer to God than you are!
Kelly
05 Aug 10
Originally posted by PinkFloydno, she thinks being a christian has over the years become synonim with following the christian religion rather than following jesus christ. and she feels the christian religion has so distanced itself from the teachings of christ that it would be immoral and a sin to call oneself a christian.
Ms. Rice seems to think being pro science, gay rights, a Democrat, and a plethora of other things are antithetical to her being a Christian. Nowhere in any Bible will you find the words, "You are saved by grace, through faith in your savior, the Lord Jesus Christ--- and your political affiliation, your stance on women's rights, etc....." It stops right a ...[text shortened]... m, except to say it only strengthens my belief in God, Christ and the Holy Ghost.
i dissagree. just because in the 30's and early 40's nazi's were rulling germany and dictating how a german should be and act doesn't mean good germans should have been ashamed of calling themselves germans.
it is those that pervert an organization that should be ashamed and cast out, not the good people that still adhere to the original intent of that said organization.
05 Aug 10
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Originally posted by FabianFnasIf you didn't happen to notice the entire Bible is dedicated to one thing which is to destroy sin. It is what seperates us from a holy God.
Read the 1st Corintian chapter 13 verse 13. This is the words of StPaul.
Christ gave us an example of this when he showed mercy on the woman caught in adultery. He cast some "devils" out of her and then told her to go and sin no more. So what if she had not heeded the advice? In fact, what if she were a religious leader? As I recall Christ railed against the religious leaders of his day because they were hypocrites. Why was Christ only preoccupied with the religious leaders of his day? It was because they were suppose to be the shepherds of the flock of God but, instead, were amoral.
As we can see with religious scandels of days gone by such as Jim Baker or Jimmy Swaggart, to name a few, those caught in open sexual immorality bring shame to the outreach of the church of Jesus Christ and should step down. In contrast, look at someone like Billy Graham. He weathered a ministry of integrity and, as a result, was respected and very successful. Is Billy Graham any more righteous than say Jim Baker or Jimmy Swaggart? Only God can say, but the word on the street is that only Billy has integrity thus his word is respected and the others not so much.
05 Aug 10
Originally posted by whodeyIsn't it central to your religion that we're all evil and deserve nothing but misery - but despite that we can escape our rightful fate because Jesus loves us?
If you didn't happen to notice the entire Bible is dedicated to one thing which is to destroy sin. It is what seperates us from a holy God.
Christ gave us an example of this when he showed mercy on the woman caught in adultery. He cast some "devils" out of her and then told her to go and sin no more. So what if she had not heeded the advice? In fact, w ...[text shortened]... treet is that only Billy has integrity thus his word is respected and the others not so much.
Let he without sin etc.
05 Aug 10
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes. As I said, I am talking about correction involving those in leadership positions. Those who accept correction, like your Jim Bakers, should be allowed to resume their positions. However, despite the fact that they truly repent and turn from their behavior, the damage is done in large part concerning their ministry and the ministry of the church for which they are apart. You then get the TOO's of the world hurling stones at the church calling them hypocrites.
Isn't it central to your religion that we're all evil and deserve nothing but misery - but despite that we can escape our rightful fate because Jesus loves us?
Let he without sin etc.
Having said all that, what if they do not receive correction? In fact, what if they promote their "sinful" behavior to their flocks?
06 Aug 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAs I said, both Billy Graham and Jimmy Swaggart are sinners. So long as both men repent and don't live in open defiance of God's law then they are on equal footing in the sight of God. The difference would then be that Jimmy got caught bringing shame to the ministry as where Billy did not. From what I heard Jimmy even repented before his congragation but what if he had not? In fact, what if he had promoted the sinful lifestyle and called it "good"?
Then it's impossible to have a righteous leader, and you're cherry picking which sins to prosecute and which to ignore.
06 Aug 10
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Originally posted by whodeyHowever, despite the fact that they truly repent and turn from their behavior, the damage is done in large part concerning their ministry and the ministry of the church for which they are apart. You then get the TOO's of the world hurling stones at the church calling them hypocrites.
Yes. As I said, I am talking about correction involving those in leadership positions. Those who accept correction, like your Jim Bakers, should be allowed to resume their positions. However, despite the fact that they truly repent and turn from their behavior, the damage is done in large part concerning their ministry and the ministry of the church for wh t receive correction? In fact, what if they promote their "sinful" behavior to their flocks?
You just can't seem to keep from using deceit in your posts. I do not "hurl stones at the church calling [those who truly repent and turn from their behavior] hypocrites" as you've stated above. You're a liar. You do so openly and repeatedly.
Once again, what makes you a hypocrite is that allow yourself and others to remain members/leaders in your church despite the fact that you and they continue to sin, yet choose to ostracize homosexuals from your church for their "sins".
07 Aug 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou hurl stones at Christians in general. You post thrread after thread regarding Christianity as if it were the scourge of the world. You rail against all Christians on this site caling them hypocrites and homophobes. Perhaps the only Christians you could embrace are those who embrace homosesulality, but then, I have never once heard you say a kind word about any Christian on this site. In fact, there are Christians on this site who do not believe homosexuality is a sin yet you continue your attacks against them based upon their claims of Jesus Chrsit being the Son of God who has come to save us all with which you disagree.
[b]However, despite the fact that they truly repent and turn from their behavior, the damage is done in large part concerning their ministry and the ministry of the church for which they are apart. You then get the TOO's of the world hurling stones at the church calling them hypocrites.
You just can't seem to keep from using deceit in your posts. ...[text shortened]... continue to sin, yet choose to ostracize homosexuals from your church for their "sins".[/b]
In Christ's ministry the only people Christ railed against were the religious leaders of his day, not the flock that followed those religious leaders. However, if Whodey does the same and tries to hold the same religious leaders accountable to the gospel of one Jesus Christ Whodey then becomes a lying hypocrite?
07 Aug 10
Originally posted by whodeyWhy have you started referring to yourself in third-person? Are you going mad?
You hurl stones at Christians in general. You post thrread after thread regarding Christianity as if it were the scourge of the world. You rail against all Christians on this site caling them hypocrites and homophobes. Perhaps the only Christians you could embrace are those who embrace homosesulality, but then, I have never once heard you say a kind word a ...[text shortened]... us leaders accountable to the gospel of one Jesus Christ Whodey then becomes a lying hypocrite?
07 Aug 10
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Originally posted by bbarrYou tell me Boss.
Why have you started referring to yourself in third-person? Are you going mad?
We have TOO telling me that I am a hypocrite for saying that religious leaders in a church should step down if they themselves openly sin and then become hypocrites themselves and without repentence. However, as we see in the example of Christ this is exactly what should be done as he only attacked the religious leaders of his day who were hypocrites.