02 Sep 05
I was always taught that when you died God would forgive you all your sins, regardless of what they were. Is this correct? Because if so, all the burglers, rapists, robbers, thugs in general are all going to be allowed to sit on Gods knee and be given forgiveness.
Sounds a bit fishy to me........
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by TheSphinxWhich god are you talking about?
I was always taught that when you died God would forgive you all your sins, regardless of what they were. Is this correct? Because if so, all the burglers, rapists, robbers, thugs in general are all going to be allowed to sit on Gods knee and be given forgiveness.
Sounds a bit fishy to me........
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by TheSphinxNot automatically, no. We are all sinners. Nobody deserves to be in the presense of the Lord. That is why he sent his free gift of his son, and can offer us grace by accepting the gift. In God's eyes, you are no better than the sinners you mentioned in your post.
I was always taught that when you died God would forgive you all your sins, regardless of what they were. Is this correct? Because if so, all the burglers, rapists, robbers, thugs in general are all going to be allowed to sit on Gods knee and be given forgiveness.
Sounds a bit fishy to me........
God does say that the works we do on earth can be counted toward crowns in heaven, but actually getting there in the first place is an act of accepting the gift.
*starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Darv to get in here and flame*
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by CoconutAnd what happens to those who are never offered that gift?
Not automatically, no. We are all sinners. Nobody deserves to be in the presense of the Lord. That is why he sent his free gift of his son, and can offer us grace by accepting the gift. In God's eyes, you are no better than the sinners you mentioned in your post.
God does say that the works we do on earth can be counted toward crowns in heaven, but actua ...[text shortened]... accepting the gift.
*starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Darv to get in here and flame*
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by Coconut*starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Darv to get in here and flame*
Not automatically, no. We are all sinners. Nobody deserves to be in the presense of the Lord. That is why he sent his free gift of his son, and can offer us grace by accepting the gift. In God's eyes, you are no better than the sinners you mentioned in your post.
God does say that the works we do on earth can be counted toward crowns in heaven, but actua ...[text shortened]... accepting the gift.
*starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Darv to get in here and flame*
2 minutes! That must be a new record! 😛😛
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by HalitoseI asked a question, I didn't flame.
[b]*starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Darv to get in here and flame*
2 minutes! That must be a new record! 😛😛[/b]
This is a flame: I understand you're stupid enough to let a dead man who proclaimed to be the son of God run your life but are you so stupid that you can't tell the difference between a flame and a simple question?
Do you see the difference now?
EDIT - You can stop your watch now.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by darvlaySorry. All meant in good fun.
I asked a question, I didn't flame.
This is a flame: I understand you're stupid enough to let a dead man who proclaimed to be the son of God run your life but are you so stupid that you can't tell the difference between a flame and a simple question?
Do you see the difference now?
EDIT - You can stop your watch now.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by CoconutBut at the end of the day he IS going to forgive us all so sending his free gift down was a bit like locking a child in a sweet shop for a month and telling him he must'nt eat any sweets!
Not automatically, no. We are all sinners. Nobody deserves to be in the presense of the Lord. That is why he sent his free gift of his son, and can offer us grace by accepting the gift. In God's eyes, you are no better than the sinners you mentioned in your post.
God does say that the works we do on earth can be counted toward crowns in heaven, but actua ...[text shortened]... accepting the gift.
*starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Darv to get in here and flame*
And I don't recall getting a free gift inside my corn flakes packet. Tut. Going to have to write to them again. Or do I write to HIM upstairs.
ps Anyone got his address?
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by TheSphinxThe technicallity here is that one has to accept the free gift for it to be valid.
But at the end of the day he IS going to forgive us all so sending his free gift down was a bit like locking a child in a sweet shop for a month and telling him he must'nt eat any sweets!
And I don't recall getting a free gift inside my corn flakes packet. Tut. Going to have to write to them again. Or do I write to HIM upstairs.
ps Anyone got his address?
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by HalitoseI don't understand why all you Christians think that every person on this Earth somehow has access to this "gift". And it frustrates me further when you claim a "just" God would cast these unlucky souls into hell for rejecting an offer which they may have never received or would not consider accepting at a passing glance.
The technicallity here is that one has to accept the free gift for it to be valid.
If a devout Buddhist came to you and told you that you could receive a gift which would grant you complete spiritual enlightenment, would you readily accept it?