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    06 Oct '17 19:44
    If we assume that the Biblical account of creation is true, how old would the universe appear moments after it was created?
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    06 Oct '17 19:591 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    If we assume that the Biblical account of creation is true, how old would the universe appear moments after it was created?
    Imagine if I told you a fridge was just created out of nowhere 60 seconds ago. Then imagine that when you open the fridge to investigate, it was full of mold, mildew and rotting sandwiches. Would you believe my claim that the fridge was created only a minute ago?

    That's what creationist claims with the earth are like. The earth is full of things that indicate a much older age for the earth than what's extrapolated from the bible. Limestone is one example, which takes something like 50,000 years to deposit just a few inches, of it, and a WHOLE lot more exists than just that,

    I could claim that all that mold and rotting food was created at the same time, but wouldn't that sound ridiculous? It should. Likewise with creationist claims for the age of and the universe.
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    06 Oct '17 20:01
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Imagine if I told you a fridge was just created out of nowhere 60 seconds ago. Then imagine that when you open the fridge to investigate, it was full of mold, mildew and rotting sandwiches. Would you believe my claim that the fridge was created only a minute ago?

    That's what creationist claims with the earth are like. The earth is full of things that ...[text shortened]... all that mold and rotting food was created at the same time, but wouldn't that sound ridiculous?
    If the fridge was just made by God, then it could be possible.
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    06 Oct '17 20:03
    Originally posted by @eladar
    If the fridge was just made by God, then it could be possible.
    What logical reason would God have for making something he just created look old?
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    06 Oct '17 20:05
    Originally posted by @vivify
    What logical reason would God have for making something he just created look old?
    Why did God make Adam a full grown man and not a baby?
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    06 Oct '17 20:112 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why did God make Adam a full grown man and not a baby?
    Just like the fridge in my example, we're allowing some assumptions to be made, since we know it takes time for a fridge to be created. If it just appeared, ignoring that it needs to look like a fully-formed fridge (like Adam being a fully formed adult human), how would you explain away the mold and rotting food in the fridge?

    Likewise, why would God (among many other examples) create fully-formed limestone deposits, which take about 50,000 years for only a few inches to form? Can you defend that?
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    06 Oct '17 20:13
    Originally posted by @vivify
    What logical reason would God have for making something he just created look old?
    Satandidit to deceive mankind into denying Creation.
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    06 Oct '17 20:18
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Just like the fridge in my example, we're allowing some assumptions to be made, since we know it takes time for a fridge to be created. If it just appeared, ignoring that it needs to look like a fully-formed fridge (like Adam being a fully formed adult human), how would you explain away the mold and rotting food in the fridge?

    Likewise, why would God c ...[text shortened]... one deposits, which take about 50,000 years for only a few inches to form? Can you defend that?
    Why should I defend an assumption?
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    06 Oct '17 20:26
    Originally posted by @js357
    Satandidit to deceive mankind into denying Creation.
    If it was to deceive all of mankind, then it failed.
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    06 Oct '17 20:27
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why should I defend an assumption?
    I asking you to defend why your god would make unnecessary steps to create something that looks old. Even if I *give* you that Adam was created to look like an adult (like we're just accepting for the sake of argument that a fridge was just created out of nothing), how do you defend the "rotting food", which in this case, is pretty much everything else on earth that looks WAY older than what's given through the bible?
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    06 Oct '17 20:291 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    I asking you to defend why your god would make unnecessary steps to create something that looks old. Even if I *give* you that Adam was created to look like an adult (like we're just accepting for the sake of argument that a fridge was just created out of nothing), how do you defend the "rotting food", which in this case, is pretty much everything else on earth that looks WAY older than what's given through the bible?
    So you are trying to change the discussion. Read the original post and join the appropriate discussion. If you want an answer to question you ask, start a new thread. If I want to respond to it, I'll do it in that thread.
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    06 Oct '17 20:33
    Originally posted by @eladar
    So you are trying to change the discussion. Read the original post and join the appropriate discussion. If you want an answer to question you ask, start a new thread. If I want to respond to it, I'll do it in that thread.
    It was only a matter of time before you started dodging. How exactly did I "change the discussion"?
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    06 Oct '17 20:34
    Originally posted by @vivify
    What logical reason would God have for making something he just created look old?
    How do you know what an old universe looks like?
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    06 Oct '17 20:351 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    It was only a matter of time before you started dodging. How exactly did I "change the discussion"?
    I'm not dodging, just sticking to the topic.

    How old would the universe appear moments after God created it, assuming of course that God created it.

    Actually, it is you who is dodging the question.
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    06 Oct '17 21:10
    Originally posted by @vivify
    What logical reason would God have for making something he just created look old?
    God could have used raw materials that had been lying around for millions of years.
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