Originally posted by @eladarImagine if I told you a fridge was just created out of nowhere 60 seconds ago. Then imagine that when you open the fridge to investigate, it was full of mold, mildew and rotting sandwiches. Would you believe my claim that the fridge was created only a minute ago?
If we assume that the Biblical account of creation is true, how old would the universe appear moments after it was created?
That's what creationist claims with the earth are like. The earth is full of things that indicate a much older age for the earth than what's extrapolated from the bible. Limestone is one example, which takes something like 50,000 years to deposit just a few inches, of it, and a WHOLE lot more exists than just that,
I could claim that all that mold and rotting food was created at the same time, but wouldn't that sound ridiculous? It should. Likewise with creationist claims for the age of and the universe.
06 Oct 17
Originally posted by @vivifyIf the fridge was just made by God, then it could be possible.
Imagine if I told you a fridge was just created out of nowhere 60 seconds ago. Then imagine that when you open the fridge to investigate, it was full of mold, mildew and rotting sandwiches. Would you believe my claim that the fridge was created only a minute ago?
That's what creationist claims with the earth are like. The earth is full of things that ...[text shortened]... all that mold and rotting food was created at the same time, but wouldn't that sound ridiculous?
Originally posted by @eladarJust like the fridge in my example, we're allowing some assumptions to be made, since we know it takes time for a fridge to be created. If it just appeared, ignoring that it needs to look like a fully-formed fridge (like Adam being a fully formed adult human), how would you explain away the mold and rotting food in the fridge?
Why did God make Adam a full grown man and not a baby?
Likewise, why would God (among many other examples) create fully-formed limestone deposits, which take about 50,000 years for only a few inches to form? Can you defend that?
06 Oct 17
Originally posted by @vivifyWhy should I defend an assumption?
Just like the fridge in my example, we're allowing some assumptions to be made, since we know it takes time for a fridge to be created. If it just appeared, ignoring that it needs to look like a fully-formed fridge (like Adam being a fully formed adult human), how would you explain away the mold and rotting food in the fridge?
Likewise, why would God c ...[text shortened]... one deposits, which take about 50,000 years for only a few inches to form? Can you defend that?
06 Oct 17
Originally posted by @eladarI asking you to defend why your god would make unnecessary steps to create something that looks old. Even if I *give* you that Adam was created to look like an adult (like we're just accepting for the sake of argument that a fridge was just created out of nothing), how do you defend the "rotting food", which in this case, is pretty much everything else on earth that looks WAY older than what's given through the bible?
Why should I defend an assumption?
Originally posted by @vivifySo you are trying to change the discussion. Read the original post and join the appropriate discussion. If you want an answer to question you ask, start a new thread. If I want to respond to it, I'll do it in that thread.
I asking you to defend why your god would make unnecessary steps to create something that looks old. Even if I *give* you that Adam was created to look like an adult (like we're just accepting for the sake of argument that a fridge was just created out of nothing), how do you defend the "rotting food", which in this case, is pretty much everything else on earth that looks WAY older than what's given through the bible?
06 Oct 17
Originally posted by @eladarIt was only a matter of time before you started dodging. How exactly did I "change the discussion"?
So you are trying to change the discussion. Read the original post and join the appropriate discussion. If you want an answer to question you ask, start a new thread. If I want to respond to it, I'll do it in that thread.
Originally posted by @vivifyI'm not dodging, just sticking to the topic.
It was only a matter of time before you started dodging. How exactly did I "change the discussion"?
How old would the universe appear moments after God created it, assuming of course that God created it.
Actually, it is you who is dodging the question.
