Originally posted by wolfgang59Originally posted by wolfgang59
I did not ask "What is god?" or "What is the cause?"
I did not ask "Who won't get it?"
I asked what was wrong with the argument.
(If you cannot tell me then you must agree with the conclusion)
I'm afraid you may have to think a little bit. (Sorry)
1. Everything that exists has a cause
2. God exists
3. Therefore God has a cause
What's wrong with this argument?
Everything is wrong with that argument. To be accurate it should read:
1. Everything that exists has a cause
2. God is the cause for the existence of everything
3. Therefore God has no beginning nor end
Get it yet?
Originally posted by josephwWhat is the cause of god?
[b]Originally posted by wolfgang59
1. Everything that exists has a cause
2. God exists
3. Therefore God has a cause
What's wrong with this argument?
Everything is wrong with that argument. To be accurate it should read:
1. Everything that exists has a cause
2. God is the cause for the existence of everything
3. Therefore God has no beginning nor end
Get it yet?[/b]
If this question doesn't have a satisfactory answer, then we have a paradox here. If the christian religion is based of paradoxes, then it is a no-good religion.
Originally posted by FabianFnasGod created everything that exists. God has no beginning. God is eternal.
What is the cause of god?
If this question doesn't have a satisfactory answer, then we have a paradox here. If the christian religion is based of paradoxes, then it is a no-good religion.
Is that too difficult for you to understand? You see, you frame the idea in your mind that God needs a cause in order to exist,
God wouldn't be God if God had a cause. Only logical.
and then loop it around in your mind causing circular reasoning. Get past it!
Of course you won't, because the moment you do you have to deal with God.
Originally posted by josephwI put a simple question based on your logic: "What is the cause of god?" And you avoided to answer. You accept the paradox as a truth.
God created everything that exists. God has no beginning. God is eternal.
Is that too difficult for you to understand? You see, you frame the idea in your mind that God needs a cause in order to exist,[hidden]God wouldn't be God if God had a cause. Only logical.[/hidden]and then loop it around in your mind causing circular reasoning. Get past it!
Of course you won't, because the moment you do you have to deal with God.
Which shows clearly to me that the christian religion is based upon paradoxes.
Originally posted by josephwThe reply is that if God doesn't need a cause to exist, then universe doesn't need one either. Logically, there is no reason to prefer a magical (divine) explanation over a physical (natural law) explanation.
God created everything that exists. God has no beginning. God is eternal.
Is that too difficult for you to understand? You see, you frame the idea in your mind that God needs a cause in order to exist,[hidden]God wouldn't be God if God had a cause. Only logical.[/hidden]and then loop it around in your mind causing circular reasoning. Get past it!
Of course you won't, because the moment you do you have to deal with God.
Originally posted by wolfgang59God is the cause of all causes.
1. Everything that exists has a cause
2. God exists
3. Therefore God has a cause
What's wrong with this argument?
A qualification to be God ........is that you must be the cause of all causes.
Therefore God qualifies to be God above everything else.
Originally posted by DasaPerhaps you have an answer to the question: "What is the cause of god?"
God is the cause of all causes.
A qualification to be God ........is that you must be the cause of all causes.
Therefore God qualifies to be God above everything else.
Because if you don't then also your religion is based upon paradoxes and has no values.
Originally posted by PudgenikSo to clarify then, the meaning of 'cause' in the OP is this:
He did not clarify his definition of the word "cause".
a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition.
"the cause of the accident is not clear"
Now do you actually have any problem with the logic in the OP?
--- Penguin
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou are being illogical. You asked the question, "what is the cause of God"? I did answer you, but apparently I need to make it more simple for you.
I put a simple question based on your logic: "What is the cause of god?" And you avoided to answer. You accept the paradox as a truth.
Which shows clearly to me that the christian religion is based upon paradoxes.
God has no beginning. Therefore, God was not caused to exist. God exists forever, without beginning or end.
That understanding of God renders the logic of the opening post irrational.
Originally posted by josephwSo essentially, as I suggested a while ago, you reject premise 1:
You are being illogical. You asked the question, "what is the cause of God"? I did answer you, but apparently I need to make it more simple for you.
God has no beginning. Therefore, God was not caused to exist. God exists forever, without beginning or end.
That understanding of God renders the logic of the opening post irrational.
1. Everything that exists has a cause
and so the conclusion
3. Therefore God has a cause
is not logically valid in your view.
Is that correct (and if so, why didn't you just say so)?
--- Penguin
Originally posted by PenguinHi, Penguin. question: Isn't "1. Everything that exists has a cause" an argument from Ancient Saudi Arabia or Islam?
So essentially, as I suggested a while ago, you reject premise 1:
1. Everything that exists has a cause
and so the conclusion
3. Therefore God has a cause
is not logically valid in your view.
Is that correct (and if so, why didn't you just say so)?
--- Penguin