If you could kill God...

Originally posted by Suzianne
Of course such a thing exists.

You just don't believe it.

Sin only exists if god exists.

God doesn't exist.

Therefore, Sin doesn't exist.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Sin only exists if god exists.

God doesn't exist.

Therefore, Sin doesn't exist.

True. (Actually it takes a little more than that, because sin does not exist merely because God exists. There's a little more to it than that, like disobedience to God.)

False.

False.

Originally posted by Suzianne
True. (Actually it takes a little more than that, because sin does not exist merely because God exists. There's a little more to it than that, like disobedience to God.)

False.

False.

Well yes I know you believe god exists. But you have no basis for that belief,
and it flies in the face of all of science that says otherwise.

Given that.

There is no such thing as sin.


It's a concept that only exists inside certain religions.


So it is in fact the religions and the beliefs of those religions that shackle people.

Not sin.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well yes I know you believe god exists. But you have no basis for that belief,
and it flies in the face of all of science that says otherwise.

Given that.

There is no such thing as sin.


It's a concept that only exists inside certain religions.


So it is in fact the religions and the beliefs of those religions that shackle people.

Not sin.

Originally posted by googlefudge
"Well yes I know you believe god exists. But you have no basis for that belief,
and it flies in the face of all of science that says otherwise."

"If God didn't exist, what possible difference would it make whether or not people put their faith in Him?" -JV

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Originally posted by googlefudge
"Well yes I know you believe god exists. But you have no basis for that belief,
and it flies in the face of all of science that says otherwise."

"If God didn't exist, what possible difference would it make whether or not people put their faith in Him?" -JV

Oh ffs.

I have answered this question about a dozen times from you already Mr goldfish memory.

Go look one of them up.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Oh ffs.

I have answered this question about a dozen times from you already Mr goldfish memory.

Go look one of them up.

You've typed words in daily attempts to make the specter of a spirituality reality go away but each morning, it's there again.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You've typed words in daily attempts to make the specter of a spirituality reality go away but each morning, it's there again.

Surely one day your random strings of words will make sense?
Perhaps at the same time those 100 chimps retype the works of Shakespeare.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Surely one day your random strings of words will make sense?
Perhaps at the same time those 100 chimps retype the works of Shakespeare.

Thanks for the conversation; time for an overdue nap @ GMT -6.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You've typed words in daily attempts to make the specter of a spirituality reality go away but each morning, it's there again.

You've typed words in daily attempts to make the [spectre] of a [spiritual] reality go away,
but each morning it's there again.

Huh? [and semi fixed]

"If God didn't exist, what possible difference would it make whether or not people put their
faith in Him?" -JV

Ok. Lets deal again with the contender for worlds stupidest and most thoughtless question to ask
an atheist.

Why would an atheist care about people believing in gods that don't exist?


Because what people believe effects their actions which effects other people.

If gods don't exist, and atheists are right, then everything people do and think because they think
that gods exist is based on a lie.

Whether it's a politician standing up and saying that governments didn't need to do anything about
global warming because Armageddon is coming soon and so it doesn't matter what we do to the planet...

Or if it's people campaigning against gay marriage because they believe that homosexuality is a sin
because they think their non-existent god said so...

Or if it's people not getting themselves and their children vaccinated because they don't trust science
because it contradicts their religion and so put themselves and everyone else around them at risk from
preventable diseases that we should have wiped out like small pox but can't because of anti-vax movements...

Or if it's people persecuting and ostracising those from a different false religion for not believing the same
false things they do...

Or if it's people blowing themselves up, or flying planes into buildings because they think god wishes them
to kill themselves while killing and terrorising those that believe something different....

Or if it's the high school student who gets bullied for not believing the right religion, or none at all...

Or if it's the women being hounded and intimidated by Anti-Choice activists while trying to get to
an abortion clinic...

Or if it's members of governments trying to force their false religious beliefs on others by shutting down
anywhere that provides medical services they don't approve of...

Or it's the child that gets thrown out of the house and onto the street because their parents can't accept
that they're an atheist, or gay, or a different religion... ect.



What people believe about the world and the way it works, alters the way they behave, and the choices they
make.

If those choices are made based on false information then those choices are more likely to be wrong as
they will not match up with reality.


What people believe matters, and anyone with a third of a brain can see that.


So why do you keep asking this same stupid and thoughtless question?
When we have already answered it many times before.

Originally posted by googlefudge

You've typed words in daily attempts to make the [spectre] of a [spiritual] reality go away,
but each morning it's there again.

Huh? [and semi fixed]

"If God didn't exist, what possible difference would it make whether or not people put their
faith in Him?" -JV

Ok. Lets deal again with the contender for worlds ...[text shortened]... this same stupid and thoughtless question?
When we have already answered it many times before.

"What people believe matters, and anyone with a third of a brain can see that." googlefudge

What do you believe?

Footnote: Thanks for the corrected spelling.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"What people believe matters, and anyone with a third of a brain can see that." googlefudge

What do you believe?

Footnote: Thanks for the corrected spelling.

About what? I have all kinds of beliefs about different topics, and I'm not
going to tell you all of them... Don't have time for one thing.


However, and more to the point.


Can you finally accept that the idiotic question you KEEP asking has been
well and truly, once and for all, finally, answered....

And that you won't ask it ever again?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Footnote: Thanks for the corrected spelling.

Well it was more the corrected grammar than the spelling.

It still doesn't make sense, but at least it does so grammatically.

The spelling correction was pretty much automated by my spell checker...

And has little to do with me.


It's possible the comma should be a semicolon... I'm arguing internally about that.

Originally posted by googlefudge
About what? I have all kinds of beliefs about different topics, and I'm not
going to tell you all of them... Don't have time for one thing.


However, and more to the point.


Can you finally accept that the idiotic question you KEEP asking has been
well and truly, once and for all, finally, answered....

And that you won't ask it ever again?

"If God didn't exist, what possible difference would it make whether or not people put their faith in Him?" -JV

"Can you finally accept that the idiotic question you KEEP asking has been
well and truly, once and for all, finally, answered....

And that you won't ask it ever again?" -googlefudge

Please help me understand what possible difference it makes to an atheist if a law
abiding theist puts his or her faith in God. Why not simply live and let live?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well it was more the corrected grammar than the spelling.

It still doesn't make sense, but at least it does so grammatically.

The spelling correction was pretty much automated by my spell checker...

And has little to do with me.


It's possible the comma should be a semicolon... I'm arguing internally about that.

I appreciate your attention to these often overlooked details of proper language usage. Thanks.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"If God didn't exist, what possible difference would it make whether or not people put their faith in Him?" -JV

"Can you finally accept that the idiotic question you KEEP asking has been
well and truly, once and for all, finally, answered....

And that you won't ask it ever again?" -googlefudge

Please help me understand what possible differenc ...[text shortened]... theist if a law
abiding theist puts his or her faith in God. Why not simply live and let live?

Please help me understand what possible difference it makes to an atheist if a law
abiding theist puts his or her faith in God. Why not simply live and let live?

Maybe try reading Googlefudge's answer to that question?

FFS!

--- Penguin