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    The less you know, the more dangerous you are.

    According to http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/ the ones that doesn't know where Ukraine is are more positive to a military intervention.

    Ignorance is dangerous!

    The same can be said of creationism and relying of a literal bible.

    (*) If you are sure that the last day will come and the paradise will turn up, then why not help the destiny a little so you can experience this day? Nuclear war is good for you!
    or
    (*) If you think cancer is a sign for sin, then why not avoid the doctors so you meet your creator earlier? Cancer is good for you.
    or
    (*) If the bible say that you are in charge over nature and the almighty God holds his hand over you to protect you, then why should you care so much over the climate change? Warmer climat is good for you.

    Ignorance is dangerous! It is dangerous for us all!
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    08 Apr '14 07:36
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    The less you know, the more dangerous you are.

    According to http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/ the ones that doesn't know where Ukraine is are more positive to a military intervention.

    Ignorance is dangerous!

    The same can be said of cre ...[text shortened]... te change? Warmer climat is good for you.

    Ignorance is dangerous! It is dangerous for us all!
    "(*) If you are sure that the last day will come and the paradise will turn up, then why not help the destiny a little so you can experience this day? Nuclear war is good for you! [God's Timing is Perfect; mine's imperfect and often flawed.]
    or
    (*) If you think cancer is a sign for sin, then why not avoid the doctors so you meet your creator earlier? Cancer is good for you. [God knows the time, place and manner of our physical death; avoiding needed doctors is tantamount to suicide.]
    or
    (*) If the bible say that you are in charge over nature and the almighty God holds his hand over you to protect you, then why should you care so much over the climate change? Warmer climat is good for you." -Fabian [Any particular bible reference? God holds the universe together with word of His power; climate change crusades represent the arrogant presumption that God's Design and Plan ever have depended or ever will depend on human help or intervention.]

    We agree that "Ignorance is dangerous!" (almost as dangerous as a little knowledge without context or misapplied).

    Nice straightforward thread format, Svenska Pojke...
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    08 Apr '14 08:09
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    The less you know, the more dangerous you are.

    According to http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/ the ones that doesn't know where Ukraine is are more positive to a military intervention.

    Ignorance is dangerous!

    The same can be said of cre ...[text shortened]... te change? Warmer climat is good for you.

    Ignorance is dangerous! It is dangerous for us all!
    and yet one in four scientists is engaged in weapons programs!
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    08 Apr '14 08:13
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    and yet one in four scientists is engaged in weapons programs!
    Is it so bad in USA today? Really? Can you give me a source?
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    08 Apr '14 09:141 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Is it so bad in USA today? Really? Can you give me a source?
    Sorry i cannot find the exact figure I read it somewhere and remembered it, feel free to refute or dismiss it. In reality its rather difficult to get any accurate information on the number of scientists engaged in weapons programs,

    The Worldwatch Institute noted that arms spending has put “guns ahead of bread in world commerce” and added that the estimated 500,000 scientists throughout the world committed to weapons research exceeded “the combined spending on developing new energy technologies, improving human health, raising agricultural productivity and controlling pollution.” Interestingly, military spending by the superpowers has produced sufficient weapons to kill their populations off perhaps ten times over.

    now this was in 1987, clearly creationists are not more dangerous than these 500,000 knowledgeable scientists with weapons expertise engaged in weapons programs, are they.
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    08 Apr '14 09:27
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Sorry i cannot find the exact figure I read it somewhere and remembered it, feel free to refute or dismiss it. In reality its rather difficult to get any accurate information on the number of scientists engaged in weapons programs,

    The Worldwatch Institute noted that arms spending has put “guns ahead of bread in world commerce” and added that the ...[text shortened]... e 500,000 knowledgeable scientists with weapons expertise engaged in weapons programs, are they.
    So this is only an opinion from someone then, and nothing more.

    You mention 1987, in the end of the cold war, a lot of people in your country made their living out of weapons, not only scientists. But any science can deliver weapons and destructions. The same fruit of science that make us read this thread on internet can also be designed to lead the way of a nuclear carrying intercontinental missile. So how do you define a "scientists is engaged in weapons programs"? That's why I question your "one in four" fact.

    Ignorance cannot bring us to the moon, science can.
    Ignorance cannot bring us a nuclear bomb, science can.
    Science can be used badly, but so can ignorance. (Example: anti-balaka in Central African Republic)
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    08 Apr '14 09:39
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    and yet one in four scientists is engaged in weapons programs!
    Which is being paid for, largely by american creationists.
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    08 Apr '14 09:47
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    The less you know, the more dangerous you are.

    According to http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/ the ones that doesn't know where Ukraine is are more positive to a military intervention.

    Ignorance is dangerous!

    The same can be said of cre ...[text shortened]... te change? Warmer climat is good for you.

    Ignorance is dangerous! It is dangerous for us all!
    i agree ignorance is dangerous in many areas of life, but not all.

    As for scripture and how the planet evolved, i believe the stories walk hand in hand. The void to the present. Many Christians are stuck on a single phrase in scripture, "a day is like a thousand years to God". The author was trying to explain the eternity of God. (how can we explain eternity to finite beings) I think of God as a circle, no beginning and no end.

    It is also dangerous to assume there is nothing of a spiritual aspect in our world. There are many cultures, not just Christian that are deep into it, and the experiences of many in each culture can not be explained in logical or rational explinations.

    The area i know that is a 'blessing' to be ignorant or innocent of, is learning of spirituality. From people who i have known who dabble, and think spiritualism is foolish, learn to hard way. It is like opening a door when you go see a tarot card reader out of mock fun, or go to a phycic reader as a joke. Or play with a quiji board (i know my spelling is wrong).
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    08 Apr '14 12:08
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    So this is only an opinion from someone then, and nothing more.

    You mention 1987, in the end of the cold war, a lot of people in your country made their living out of weapons, not only scientists. But any science can deliver weapons and destructions. The same fruit of science that make us read this thread on internet can also be designed to lead the wa ...[text shortened]... ence can be used badly, but so can ignorance. (Example: anti-balaka in Central African Republic)
    scientists are more dangerous than creationists, waaaaaay more dangerous
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    08 Apr '14 12:08
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Which is being paid for, largely by american creationists.
    evidence please.
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    08 Apr '14 12:27
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    scientists are more dangerous than creationists, waaaaaay more dangerous
    Those teocratic countries in the world who has nuclear weapons are not kittens...
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    08 Apr '14 12:30
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Those teocratic countries in the world who has nuclear weapons are not kittens...
    who gave them their power? technology and scientists!
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    08 Apr '14 12:302 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    evidence please.
    Feel free to refute or dismiss it.

    But I think it is common knowledge that the US is the biggest spender on arms be a big margin, and that a larger portion of the US population are creationists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#United_States

    And then I could mention the fact that creationists are more likely to be republican than democrat and that the republicans are more likely to support defense spending than democrats
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    08 Apr '14 12:341 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Feel free to refute or dismiss it.

    But I think it is common knowledge that the US is the biggest spender on arms be a big margin, and that a larger portion of the US population are creationists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#United_States
    Americans are under duress to pay taxes like any other country and once they do so they have NO control over how the government apportions that revenue, its no longer their money, its the governments money. America is not the only country on the planet to engage masses of weapons specialists.
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    08 Apr '14 12:37
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Americans are under duress to pay taxes like any other country and once they do so they have No control over how the government apportions that revenue, its no longer their money, its the governments money. America is not the only country on the planet to engage weapons specialists.
    Many americans would love to pay less taxes I am sure, but can you find some that do not support spending the money they do pay on the defense budget?

    ... and once they do so they have No control over how the government apportions that revenue,...
    Silly me. I thought the US was at least a tiny bit democratic.
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