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A similar passage is found in Isaiah 66:22-24

"For as the new heavens and new earth, which I make,
Remain before Me, declares Jehovah,
So will your seed and your name remain.
And from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath

All flesh will come to nbow down before Me, says Jehovah.
Then they will go forth and look
On the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against Me;
For their worm will not die,
Nor will their fire be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all flesh. "


Their eternal condition under punishment seems here to be a spectacle to be abhorred, a deterring of rebellion, a testimony of the utter failure to usurp the will of God.

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The above verses show the situation after God resurrects all for either salvation or judgment. They show the deterring aspect of His final judgment on the lost certainly as a deterring horrific manifestation of their total defeat and God's total victory.

But what about any potential "other worlds" or other ages?
We are informed that God will make known the vindication of His eventual invincible wisdom and purpose. [My bolding]

"That He might display IN THE AGES TO COME the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. By grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves it is the gift of God." (Eph. 2:7,8)

Against the backdrop of the lost all the more the New Jerusalem will manifest the kindness of God and the surpassing riches of His salvation in Christ. This manifestation is to all the ages to come. That could also mean WORLDS to come.

That could mean any and all kinds of worlds after God says He makes all things new.

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If you have not understood it yet, by then all and any kind of Atheism will be dead, non-existent anywhere in the universe. So Atheism is bound for death and extinction.

If Atheism is not dead now, we can be assured that it will go out of existence in eternity future. So we all need to be reconciled to God now and as soon as we can.

Jesus Christ is the way we can be reconciled to God, redeemed forever, and even conformed into His image according to the eternal purpose of God.

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@divegeester

You made the claim about “other worlds” being deterred (from something) by being able to observe “the lost being hung in chains of punishment”


The verses above are self explanatory.

The words I used from Govette about "hung in chains" are poetic license. However they are not poetic license altogether WITHOUT scriptural bases.

The rebelling angels of Satan were said by Jude to be in eternal bonds.

They are confined, bound.
Here are a couple translations of Jude 6.

New King James Version
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

Christian Standard Bible
and the angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deep darkness for the judgment on the great day.


New Living Translation
And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.

English Standard Version
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

Berean Literal Bible
And the angels not having kept their own domain, but having abandoned the own dwelling, He keeps in eternal chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day;

King James Bible
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Recovery Version
And angels who did not keep their own principality but abandoned their own dwelling place, He has kept in eternal bonds under gloom for the judgment of the great day."

Similarly bonds rather than chains is used in these English translations:
NASB, ASV, ERV, LSV, to name a few.

There is also 2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


These are your words, your claims. They are not in the Bible anywhere and you machine gunning out your dumps of posts trying to bury this fact hasn’t worked for seven years and it won’t work now.


The verses were there seven years ago and will be there in the future.
All I did was put them together for you.

What the right thing to do would be for you to acknowledge that you posted an error and apologise, to those of us here who have held your feet to the fire over it, for accusing us of twisting your words.


I see no need for any apologizing to be done.
As always you are free to have another way of interpreting the passages.

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@divegeester

Sonship, just acknowledge that you posted error and that you have been too proud to admit it for 7 years.


Please show me WHICH of the verses will say something different if I hunch myself down real humble like, bow low, scrap and be as humble as possible.

Which verse will read differently if I "humble myself" a whole lot?

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@divegeester

HOW!?

How does those passages in ANY WAY, let alone “explicitly teach” that the state of the lost is a warning spectacle to people in the future?

It doesn’t, you’re just making it up, adding words to the scripture which aren’t there.

The Isaiah 66 passage is about the age of the future -

"For as the new heavens and new earth, which I make . . . Then they will go forth and look . . . " (v.22,24)

The Daniel 12 passages is also in the future apparently after the final resurrection of all the dead.

"And many of those who are sleeping in the dust of the ground will awake . . . " (v.2)

Do you not understand that these passages describe a situation in the future coming age ?

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@divegeester

If you are going to clip verses sonship, you really ought to at least make the lipped element fit your claim that there are people on “other worlds” observing the lost.

I didn't do anything to change the context or the essential meaning.
I simply skipped some words for the sake of focus.

If you ever feel I have changed the meaning by eliminating words show me how.


You’ve take a clip from verse 22 and comically attempted to conjoin it with a clip from verse 24.


I only highlight the exactly relevant words in the section.

Verse 22 - For as the new heavens and new earth, which I make, remain before Me, declares Jehovah, So will your seed and your name remain,
Verse 23 - And from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh will come to bow down before Me, says Jehovah.
Verse 24 - Then they will go forth and look on the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against Me; For their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."


How has the meaning of me "clipping" ONLY the relevant words to my point, substantially change the meaning of all three verses with no ellipses?
"For as the new heavens and new earth, which I make . . . Then they will go forth and look . . . " (v.22,24)

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