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Originally posted by HandyAndyThanks, HandyAndy.
You made my day, CJ. Thoughtful arguments and reasonable opinions are rare in these parts.
Now you made MY day!
😀
Now to answer some of the other responses....
Originally posted by RJHindsThey were merely accepting the new definition of evolution to mean "a change over time" that includes variation in species within a kind over time. They never indorsed the original definition that all the kinds of animals and plants came from one common ancestor because one kind of animal or plant will never produce another kind.
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIHi PDII,
Do you envision God as being so forward-looking that when He was getting Genesis written up, He knew that starting in the 1800s His verbiage was going to cause some schism in the body of Christ over whether it was indeed poetry more than a factual account of natural history?
Originally posted by KellyJayYou don't accept common descent and you don't accept speciation. I think you're straining the gnat with respect to the definition of evolution.
I'm a young earth creationist, and I believe in evolution. Anything can be
used to be anti-God even the Bible. People use almost anything to suit their
own ends.
Kelly
Originally posted by KingOnPointWhy do you not accept Genesis as creation of part of the universe? If you do not accept that God created "things from nothing", then all of us who believe in creation are not to blame.
Originally posted by KellyJaySorry, but this I do not understand - unless my own understanding of the concepts "YEC" and "Evolution" are wrong.
I'm a young earth creationist, and I believe in evolution. Anything can be
used to be anti-God even the Bible. People use almost anything to suit their
own ends.
Kelly
Originally posted by RJHindsNope, not related to a rat in my opinion.
But do you believe your ancestor was a rat? That is what the general theory of evolution teaches. Perhaps you mean you believe in the newer definition of evolution - a change over time - like those two Popes.
Originally posted by Proper KnobNot straining on anything, I'm not the one who has to believe one life form
You don't accept common descent and you don't accept speciation. I think you're straining the gnat with respect to the definition of evolution.
Originally posted by CalJustEvolution maintains small changes over time, I accept that.
Sorry, but this I do not understand - unless my own understanding of the concepts "YEC" and "Evolution" are wrong.
YEC by definition sees the Earth (and the universe, for that matter) as being between 6000 and (at most) 10 000 years old.
Evolution maintains that very few real changes, biologically speaking, appear in this kind of timespan. Certainly not the development of mammals.
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Originally posted by KellyJayIt's not a leap of faith when we can see a time when there were only single cell life forms then later layers have multi-cell life forms.
Evolution maintains small changes over time, I accept that.
You want to suggest those changes over time can go from say a single cell
till all the variety of life we see today, that is a huge leap of faith in my
opinion.
Kelly
Originally posted by CalJustI stated simular thoughts in another thread.
One claim that is frequently made by creationists (especially Young Earth Creationists) is that [b]evolution is rejected by Christians as being at best anti-God and at worst designed by the devil.
This statement is demonstrably false, since there are many Christians who accept that the ToE best explains the current diversity of life on earth.
One p ...[text shortened]... t, be taken as a literal scientific discourse.
I'm glad that we have got that sorted out now.[/b]
Originally posted by KellyJayIt takes how long for a seed to become a tree.
Evolution maintains small changes over time, I accept that.
You want to suggest those changes over time can go from say a single cell
till all the variety of life we see today, that is a huge leap of faith in my
opinion.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIt's straining to the extreme. To claim you believe in evolution and also think the world is only a few thousand years old is as bonkers as it gets.
Not straining on anything, I'm not the one who has to believe one life form
came from another and before that another and so on. You want to believe
that, it is up to you, the parts of evolution I accept can be seen today.
Kelly
Originally posted by CalJustI did not make this definition up. See ...
[b]They were merely accepting the new definition of evolution to mean "a change over time" that includes variation in species within a kind over time. They never indorsed the original definition that all the kinds of animals and plants came from one common ancestor because one kind of animal or plant will never produce another kind.
In my opinion, it is ...[text shortened]... to refrain from continuing to make this foolish and blatantly incorrect claim.
In peace
CJ
Originally posted by KellyJayyou believe in micro evolution just to make the utter crap that is noah's story a little more plausible. when i say a little i mean an amount so small it cannot be measured. even with "kinds" the ark is an impossibility. so no, i don't find you any less ignorant because you believe something you see everyday
I'm a young earth creationist, and I believe in evolution. Anything can be
used to be anti-God even the Bible. People use almost anything to suit their
own ends.
Kelly