Is god just a logical fallacy?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Why do you trust your own thinking?

Because I am.

Originally posted by David C
I think so. Consider:

'Throughout history, most people have believed in some sort of God. Therefore, God exists.'

'The Bible says god exists, therefore god exists.'

'God must exist: so many people find happiness in religion.'

'Will you accept Jesus as your saviour, or burn for eternity in Hell?'

And then, the IDers favorite platitude: ...[text shortened]... ed by a watchmaker.
Therefore, the universe must have been designed by some kind of creator.'

And then, the IDers favorite platitude:

'The universe is like an intricate watch.
A watch must have been designed by a watchmaker.
Therefore, the universe must have been designed by some kind of creator.'

And the logical fallacy is ...?

Of course, none of these are deductive proofs for the existence of God, but I seriously doubt anyone who claims he/she never uses induction in his life.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
And the logical fallacy is ...?

Are you being facetious? It's a false analogy. The universe is nothing like a watch, no matter how expensive the watch may be.

Originally posted by David C
Because I am.

The fact that you think means what? How did you get the ability to think? Did your thinking evolve by random chance? If so, they why do you trust it?

Originally posted by David C
Are you being facetious? It's a false analogy. The universe is nothing like a watch, no matter how expensive the watch may be.

A watch is made of matter.
The universe is made of matter.
Therefore the Universe = a watch.
A watch has a maker.
But a watch = the Universe.
Therefore the universe has a Maker.

Originally posted by David C
Are you being facetious? It's a false analogy. The universe is nothing like a watch, no matter how expensive the watch may be.

Why isn't an analogy possible between the Universe and the watch? A watch consists of intricate parts that need to be fitted perfectly to allow it to function. The Universe displays a similar level of intricacy in its physical laws and universal constants that permit life to exist.

Originally posted by dj2becker
If God does not exist then why do you care if he does or not?

Do you know the Bible contains the words, "...there is no God" a couple of times?😉

Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me [b]there is no God.

Isaiah 45:5 - I am the LORD, and there ...[text shortened]... is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 🙂[/b]

Hello dj2....you forgot one....
Ps 14:1
1The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good.
(NKJ)

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.😉

Originally posted by David C
I think so. Consider:

'Throughout history, most people have believed in some sort of God. Therefore, God exists.'

'The Bible says god exists, therefore god exists.'

'God must exist: so many people find happiness in religion.'

'Will you accept Jesus as your saviour, or burn for eternity in Hell?'

And then, the IDers favorite platitude: ...[text shortened]... ed by a watchmaker.
Therefore, the universe must have been designed by some kind of creator.'

I believe in God because of the bible.The Bible is the only known religious document with historically verifiable prophecies that have consistently been fulfilled. This point cannot be overstated. That the Bible has dozens of prophecies that can be verified by historians as having been accurately fulfilled is very strong proof that God is its Author. There are some critics who claim the foretelling in the Bible is not really foretelling, but men writing down both the “prophecy” and the “fulfillment” after the event occurred. However, there is no historical or textual basis for their claim. What is, in fact, true, is that the Bible contains numerous records of accurate, verified foretelling. No human can consistently predict the future. We cannot even tell what is going to happen to us in the next few days or weeks. Only God could be the source of the accurate prophecies in the Bible.🙂

Originally posted by David C
Are you being facetious? It's a false analogy. The universe is nothing like a watch, no matter how expensive the watch may be.

Indeed. Man-made things always fall apart with time, therefore the universe was not man-made - sort-of like evolution. hmmm...

Originally posted by lucifershammer
[b]And then, the IDers favorite platitude:

'The universe is like an intricate watch.
A watch must have been designed by a watchmaker.
Therefore, the universe must have been designed by some kind of creator.'

And the logical fallacy is ...?

Of course, none of these are deductive proofs for the existence of God, but I seriously doubt anyone who claims he/she never uses induction in his life.[/b]

Hey, my toothbrush uses induction all the time to charge its little
battery.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I believe in God because of the bible.The Bible is the only known religious document with historically verifiable prophecies that have consistently been fulfilled. This point cannot be overstated. That the Bible has dozens of prophecies that can be verified by historians as having been accurately fulfilled is very strong proof that God is its Author. The ...[text shortened]... next few days or weeks. Only God could be the source of the accurate prophecies in the Bible.🙂

give me a break, verifiable prophecies? Ok, so a dude 3000 years
ago says, there will be a burning bush in 1000 years and sure enough
a burning bush appears. So dude B says, wow, Dude a was right
Therefore my bible is absolute truth and there is a god and he is
PISSED at the romans.

Originally posted by sonhouse
give me a break, verifiable prophecies? Ok, so a dude 3000 years
ago says, there will be a burning bush in 1000 years and sure enough
a burning bush appears. So dude B says, wow, Dude a was right
Therefore my bible is absolute truth and there is a god and he is
PISSED at the romans.

Hey, if you want inductive evidence - the Bible is full of it. I thought you science worshipers live and breath inductive evidence - so the Bible's mass of evidence ought to be more than enough to convince.

Originally posted by Coletti
Hey, if you want inductive evidence - the Bible is full of it. I thought you science worshipers live and breath inductive evidence - so the Bible's mass of evidence ought to be more than enough to convince.

Well if the bible is supposed to be the evidence there is a god,
why was it relagated to a small minority of the world population in
a backwater part of the world, ignoring such civilizations as China
and India? Why didn't it originate there? It couldn't be because
its a pile of dogshite?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Well if the bible is supposed to be the evidence there is a god,
why was it relagated to a small minority of the world population in
a backwater part of the world, ignoring such civilizations as China
and India? Why didn't it originate there? It couldn't be because
its a pile of dogshite?

Are you saying it can't be God's Word if didn't it originate in India or China???

Originally posted by dj2becker
A watch is made of matter.
The universe is made of matter.
Therefore the Universe = a watch.
A watch has a maker.
But a watch = the Universe.
Therefore the universe has a Maker.

A watch is made of matter,
A duck is made of matter,
Therefore, a Duck = a Watch
A duck comes from an egg,
But a Watch = A Duck
Therefore, a watch comes from an egg.