11 Feb '14 13:08>
This post is in response to recent posts in various threads referring to salvation and eternal damnation, e.g. In Revelations 20.
Consider the worst murderers you know: Manson, Jack the Ripper, Hitler.
OK, let's take Hitler. He killed 6 million people. Let's say he tortured those 6million and then burned them in gas ovens. Now multiply that by a thousand, no, by a billion zillion - let's say he raised them from the dead, tortured and killed them again, over, and over, and over and over. For a billion years.
Even then he would not be as cruel as the picture of God many Christians have, for then there would not be an end even after a billion years, but this would go on forever.
Or consider another picture: Romeo loves Juliet, and he woes her for her heart. Does she love him back? If yes, then celebrations! But if she does not return his love, he will come in the night and burn her house down, and then torture her mercilessly - because she did not give him her love out of her own free will!
The picture of the cruel tormentor or the jealous, unrequited lover is one we all know and despise. Yet that is how many (yes, maybe even most) in the Christian church see God without question.
If you reply to this OP, please do NOT just say: "This is what it says in the Bible!" I grant you that there are scriptures which tend to point to that taken literally, although the concept of a burning hell and lake of fire only date from the Middle Ages.
What I would like you to do, is wrap your God-given mind logically around this concept, and see if there maybe something really abhorrent about that idea, which demands another explanation.
Consider the worst murderers you know: Manson, Jack the Ripper, Hitler.
OK, let's take Hitler. He killed 6 million people. Let's say he tortured those 6million and then burned them in gas ovens. Now multiply that by a thousand, no, by a billion zillion - let's say he raised them from the dead, tortured and killed them again, over, and over, and over and over. For a billion years.
Even then he would not be as cruel as the picture of God many Christians have, for then there would not be an end even after a billion years, but this would go on forever.
Or consider another picture: Romeo loves Juliet, and he woes her for her heart. Does she love him back? If yes, then celebrations! But if she does not return his love, he will come in the night and burn her house down, and then torture her mercilessly - because she did not give him her love out of her own free will!
The picture of the cruel tormentor or the jealous, unrequited lover is one we all know and despise. Yet that is how many (yes, maybe even most) in the Christian church see God without question.
If you reply to this OP, please do NOT just say: "This is what it says in the Bible!" I grant you that there are scriptures which tend to point to that taken literally, although the concept of a burning hell and lake of fire only date from the Middle Ages.
What I would like you to do, is wrap your God-given mind logically around this concept, and see if there maybe something really abhorrent about that idea, which demands another explanation.