Originally posted by @fmfLook, you don't want to believe what I say, then fine, don't. But don't bother me with your rather rhetorical "meringue pie" verbiage.
[b]The typical person I've spoken with about this seems almost embarrassed at having turned away from the faith. Excuses like "I didn't have the time to devote to it"...
"Time" to do what exactly? ~ in their minds ~ according to your telling of it?
"My beliefs are still the same, it's just too hard to keep up with it and still find time for other ...[text shortened]... doesn't really matter if they don't do stuff like go to church, right? Or do you think it does?
Clearly, what you understand about the Christian faith, despite your telling of it. can not even fill a thimble. But regardless of how you insist on painting it, that's not my fault, either.
Originally posted by @suzianneTo me, it's quite clear the Book of Revelation was for the benefit of Corporate Christianity. The only link to Jesus was the fact that Corporate Christianity was fine-tuning its cult of personality based on Him and that's why you've got Rev. 1:1.
On the other hand, if Jesus were to impart wisdom to certain people, I somehow doubt it would be done for the benefit of "Corporate Christianity". Since the age of Prophets is over, any messages would be strictly for the benefit of the receiver. His work was finished at Calvary.
Originally posted by @fmfI have no idea what you are reaching for here, or what you think I can get out of this screed, since I do not subscribe to your level of cynicism.
My point exactly.
And the overarching things that are claimed are "If it's in the Bible, then it must be true" and "The Bible must be true because everything in it is true" Once the 'spell' cast on people by these seemingly watertight and mutually corroborating assertions is broken, then all bets are off.
Originally posted by @fmfSee my last response above.
To me, it's quite clear the Book of Revelation was for the benefit of Corporate Christianity. The only link to Jesus was the fact that Corporate Christianity was fine-tuning its cult of personality based on Him and that's why you've got Rev. 1:1.
Oh yeah, AND you're blatantly wrong.
If you can't understand scripture, don't blame me. The fault lies within.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI wasn't safe before the Bible blew my mind. The Bible really blew my mind. The fact that me an overfed long haired leaping gnome should be the recipient of the light of the truth. But there I was... 😉
That doesn't sound very safe. 😛
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Originally posted by @secondsonThe point is that I have no credible reason to believe the claim that the writer of Revelation makes about his own writing, i.e. Rev 1:1. So the way it resonates with me is clearly not going to be the same as the way it resonates with you.
Pity it doesn't resonate with you though.
Originally posted by @fmfNo credible reason? I suppose that's true since you've used your energy to dispel all the evidence to the contrary.
The point is that I have no credible reason to believe the claim that the writer of Revelation makes about his own writing, i.e. Rev 1:1.
Seriously, you've seen the evidence, but you refuse to believe it, and that's all there is to it. Except you take it a step further by thinking and saying you "have no credible reason", which is just you burying your head in the sand.
Originally posted by @romans10091 Corinthians 1:27
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;