Originally posted by divegeester
You and Galveston play tag-team again? As you are ignoring the definitive scriptures in the OP I'll help you with some others.
[b]1.the fact that no one has seen God at any time, yet many persons saw the Christ
Colossians 1:15 "He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God (please also see the Colossians scripture in the OP about the ful ...[text shortened]... d and a Saviour; there is none but me. (are you saying that Jesus is NOT the saviour?)[/b]
Oh my. So easy to understand my friend but until you ever even take the time and effort to understand they are two seperate individuals these scriptures will never become clear to you.
We are not trying to play any games here such as tag team. I don't have time for that as I'm sure Robbie doesn't either.
But with the translations being altered in the past ever so slightly by ones that were trying to promote the trinity doctrine it easy to see why the confusions are there in most bibles.
I'm not making this up to try and convience anyone any different, but it is just a fact.
But until you or the others that want to see the truth about our God, his son and what the Holy Spirit is, this is going nowhere.
If one really wants to learn this Bible truth let us know as this is just a sampling of the info we can share with anyone.
Pick out anything that is of interest and I'll post it.
TRINITY
ancient non-Christian religions: g05 4/22 7; ti 11-12; g89 12/22 12; w88 6/1 18; g88 12/22 21
Assyria: re 250; ti 9; w88 2/15 25; it-1 202
Babylon: re 250; rs 51; ti 9-10; w88 3/1 29; w88 6/1 18; it-1 237, 974
Buddhism: ti 10
Egypt: re 250; sh 57, 59; ti 2, 10-11; g89 2/8 21; w88 6/1 18; it-1 975
Greece: w99 8/15 13; jv 36; rs 51, 406; ti 11-12
Hinduism: sh 115, 118-120; ti 10-12
Palmyra, Syria: ti 10
Rome: w88 4/1 19-20
Anglican Church:
bishop John Robinson: w93 10/15 27
antitrinitarians during and after Middle Ages: g02 6/22 11; jv 44, 124
Georgio Biandrata and Francis Dávid: g02 6/22 12-14
assisting Bible students who believe in: w98 5/15 21-23
Athanasian Creed: g05 4/22 6; w93 10/15 27; w92 8/1 21-22; rs 405, 408-412; ti 9
Baptist Church: w91 11/1 19-20
Catholic Church: w92 4/1 26; w91 11/1 19-20; rs 42; ti 3-9, 21-23; w88 4/1 20; w87 6/15 3
admittedly not Biblical: ti 5-6
Catholic Encyclopedia, The: w91 11/1 19; rs 42; ti 3-5, 22; w88 6/1 10
New Catholic Encyclopedia: g05 4/22 7; w00 6/1 5; w94 6/1 11; rs 42, 405, 407; ti 4-7, 22-23; g89 12/22 12; w88 6/1 10, 18; w87 6/15 4
central doctrine of Christendom’s religions: ti 3; w88 6/1 10-11, 14
Church Fathers: w93 10/15 28-29; w92 8/1 21; ti 7
after Council of Nicaea (4th century): w01 4/15 20
Apologists (2nd century): w92 4/1 24-30
Apostolic Fathers (1st and 2nd centuries): w92 2/1 19-23
clarification of Witnesses’ position (1882): jv 123, 125; w89 3/15 18-19
comments by—
book The Divinity of Jesus Christ: w94 6/1 30
Encyclopædia Britannica: w02 7/15 18
Encyclopedia Americana, The: w00 6/1 5
Rabbi Naḥmanides (1263): w97 4/15 21
Russell, C. T.: jv 123, 125-126
scholars: w06 12/1 6; w91 11/1 22
confusion over teaching: ti 4-5; w88 6/1 10
death penalty for denying: w87 6/15 4
development: w00 6/1 5; w92 8/1 19-24; sh 264, 266, 274-277, 279; w89 3/1 5; ti 7-9; g89 6/22 26-27; w88 4/1 19-20; w88 6/1 18, 20; w87 6/15 4, 21
325 C.E., Council of Nicaea: w03 7/15 29, 31; w92 8/1 19-21; w91 11/1 20; sh 275-276; ti 7-8
381 C.E., Council of Constantinople: w92 8/1 21; w91 11/1 20; ti 8
382 C.E., Tome of Damasus: w91 11/1 20
451 C.E., Council of Chalcedon: sh 279
discussion: bh 201-204; g05 4/22 5-9; ol 25; rq 22; w91 11/1 19-23; pe 39-41; rs 405-426; ti 2-31; w88 6/1 10-20; w87 6/15 3-7
dishonors God: ti 30-31
dishonors Jesus: w91 2/1 15
early Christians: rs 405-406; ti 6-7
effect of removal of divine name from Bible: sh 232; w88 8/1 30
elohim: rs 415-416; ti 13-14
Eskimo: g89 9/22 14
experiences: w03 5/1 5
illustration of family relationships: w98 5/15 22-23
prays to find answers: yb04 60
professor sees through: yb90 122
Trinity brochure: g98 4/22 31
Father identified as God: g05 4/22 5; rs 411
Greek Orthodox Church: ti 3; w88 6/1 10-11
harmful effects of teaching: w92 8/1 23; rs 424-425
holy spirit not a person: g 7/06 14-15; w91 1/15 3-4; rs 406-407; ti 20-23; w88 6/1 14; w87 6/15 5, 7
holy spirit not God: rs 412
Jehovah and Jesus separate persons: g05 4/22 5-7; w02 5/15 6; w94 6/1 29-30; rs 150, 198, 407-408; ti 17; w88 6/1 10-12
Jehovah is One and is Supreme: kl 30-31; w94 6/1 30-31; rs 405, 411, 415-416; ti 12-14; it-2 54
Jesus Christ: w92 1/15 20-23
“a corresponding ransom” (1Ti 2:6): ti 15
created: bh 41; rs 408-409; ti 14
faith in God: w94 10/15 12-15
Father is the God of: w06 3/1 5-6; rs 411
inferior to Father: g05 4/22 6-7; w91 2/1 15; si 198; rs 409-411; w88 6/1 12-13; it-2 54
inferior to God: re 15; w92 1/15 22; w92 4/1 24-30; ti 16-20; w88 6/1 19
in heaven, inferior to God: g05 4/22 5-6; rs 410-411; ti 19-20
knowledge limited: ti 19
Lord: w94 6/1 29-31
miracles do not imply Trinity: w92 1/15 21-22
not Almighty God: re 65; w05 9/15 7; g05 4/22 5-7; w02 5/15 6; w90 9/15 5-6; w89 4/15 21; rs 212-216, 411; ti 13, 20, 28-29; w88 6/1 10-13; w87 6/15 6-7
not ‘God the Son’: ti 16; w88 6/1 11-12
“one” with Father: rs 424; ti 24; w88 6/1 15-16; it-2 55; w87 6/15 6
“only-begotten Son”: ti 15-16; it-2 556
tempted: ti 14-15
meaning of term: g05 4/22 6; w91 11/1 20-21; rs 405; ti 3-4; w88 6/1 10-11; w87 6/15 4
Jesus said to be in heaven while on earth: w91 11/1 20
mystery: g92 3/8 26-27
argument that mystery implies divine revelation: ti 4-5
comment of booklet The Blessed Trinity: w87 6/15 3
not in Bible: w06 12/1 6; w01 4/15 20; jv 622; w91 11/1 21-23; sh 219; ti 5-6, 12-13
Christian Scriptures: w93 10/15 27-30; w89 3/1 5; ti 6; w88 6/1 18; w87 6/15 4
Hebrew Scriptures: w89 4/15 21; ti 6; w88 6/1 18
origin of belief: re 250; g05 4/22 7; w99 8/15 13; jv 36; rs 405-406; ti 11-12; w88 6/1 18
origin of term: w92 8/1 22-23; ti 5
quiz and answers: g94 9/8 11-13
religions rejecting:
Islam: sh 296-297
Judaism: w97 4/15 21
Polish Brethren: yb94 173
Socinians: g88 11/22 19-22
Unity of Brethren (Minor Party): w03 12/15 12
representations: g05 4/22 7; w89 4/15 6; ti 10; w87 6/15 4
scriptures applied to both Jehovah and Jesus: rs 414
scriptures misapplied to support: w92 1/15 21-23; rs 412-424; ti 23-29
Genesis 1:1: rs 415
Genesis 1:26: w92 1/15 21; ti 14; it-2 1203
Deuteronomy 6:4: rs 405, 415-416
Isaiah 7:14: it-1 1188
Isaiah 9:6: ip-1 130-131; w92 1/15 22; rs 413-414; ti 28
Isaiah 43:10: w92 1/15 22; rs 413
Isaiah 43:11: rs 413
Isaiah 44:6: re 27-28
Micah 5:2: rs 409
Matthew 1:23: w92 1/15 22-23; rs 214; it-1 1188
Matthew 3:16, 17: w92 1/15 21
Matthew 28:19: w02 7/15 18-19; w92 1/15 21; w91 11/1 23; rs 414-415; ti 23; w87 6/15 4-5
John 1:1: w08 11/1 24-25; bh 202-203; g05 4/22 8-9; w99 8/1 10; w93 10/15 28; w91 11/1 23; rs 212-213, 416-417; ti 26-28; w88 6/1 16-19; it-2 53-54, 1202-1203
John 1:18: it-2 557
John 1:23: ip-1 400; rs 414
John 2:19: rs 423-424
John 5:18: rs 214; ti 24-25; w88 6/1 19
John 8:58: rs 417-418; ti 26; w88 7/15 6; g87 3/22 12
John 10:30: w93 10/15 28-29; gt 81; rs 424; ti 24; w88 6/1 15-16; it-2 55; w87 6/15 6
John 14:9: it-2 55
John 20:28: g05 4/22 9; w92 1/15 23; rs 213; ti 29; w88 6/1 19; it-2 55-56
Acts 20:28: rs 418
Romans 9:5: rs 418-419
1 Corinthians 12:4-6: ti 23
2 Corinthians 13:14: ti 23
Philippians 2:5, 6: rs 419-420; ti 25-26
Colossians 2:9: rs 420-421; it-1 639
1 Timothy 3:16: w97 10/15 11; w90 1/15 12
Titus 2:13: rs 421
Hebrews 1:6: w92 1/15 23; rs 214-215
Hebrews 1:8: rs 422
Hebrews 1:10-12: rs 414
1 John 5:7: w97 10/1 13; rs 422-423; w87 6/15 6
1 John 5:20: w04 10/15 30-31
Revelation 1:11: rs 412
Revelation 1:17: re 27-28
Revelation 22:12: rs 413
Revelation 22:13: rs 413
Shinto: sh 199
titles applied to Jehovah and Jesus: rs 412-414
various religions: w88 6/1 18
view of:
Clement of Alexandria: w93 10/15 29; w92 4/1 27-28; ti 7
Clement of Rome: w92 2/1 20
Eusebius of Caesarea: w03 7/15 31
Hermas: w92 2/1 22
Hippolytus: ti 7
Ignatius: w92 2/1 21
Irenaeus: w93 10/15 29; ti 7
Justin Martyr: w92 4/1 24, 26-27; ti 7
Milton, John: w07 9/15 13; g88 11/22 22
Newton, Sir Isaac: g88 11/22 22
Novatian: w93 10/15 28-29
Origen: w01 7/15 30-31; ti 7
Polycarp: w92 2/1 22
Servetus, Michael: g 5/06 19; sh 322; g89 8/22 19; g88 11/22 19-20
Tertullian: w02 5/15 30-31; w92 4/1 28-29; ti 5-7
World Council of Churches: g91 2/22 5, 11
Quotations
a late 4th-century invention: g05 4/22 7
among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective: w00 6/1 5; w94 6/1 11; rs 405; ti 7; w88 6/1 18
a teaching of the church rather than of Jesus: g05 4/22 6
Bible of Christians includes no assertions about God that are specifically trinitarian: sh 219
developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies: w91 11/1 22; rs 42, 405; w88 6/1 18; w87 6/15 4, 21; w86 12/1 6
God’s spirit is simply God’s power: ti 22
majority of NT texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone: rs 407; ti 22; w88 6/1 14
neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament: w02 7/15 18; w99 8/1 10; w94 6/1 11; g92 3/8 27; w91 11/1 22; g91 2/22 11; w89 3/1 5; rs 42, 405; ti 6; w88 6/1 18; w87 6/15 4, 21; w86 12/1 6
no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a Trinity within the Godhead: ti 6
not a biblical idea: g05 4/22 7
not directly and immediately the word of God: ti 5
nowhere in the Old Testament do we find any clear indication of a Third Person: ti 22
Platonic trinity gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches: jv 36; rs 51, 406; ti 11
removal of Tetragrammaton contributed to Trinitarian debates: sh 232; w88 8/1 30
when the writers of the New Testament speak of God they mean the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. When they speak of Jesus Christ, they do not speak of him, nor do they think of him as God: w94 6/1 30