Originally posted by menace71no i dont accept that it Jesus the Almighty, what is more, Christ never termed himself
Isa 44:6 and Rev 22:13-26 Jesus and the almighty both call themselves the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end. The Lamb and God are sharing the same throne all through out the book of revelation.
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Manny
the almighty or have you never read,
(John 14:28) . . .If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the
Father, because the Father is greater than I am. . .
its a typical trinitarian ploy to pick a scripture which may be viewed as ambiguous and
apply it to Christ to support the claim,
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThey both call themselves the Alpha and Omega beginning and end (maybe not almighty) Another thing at Christ birth he was called Emmanuel and you know what that means. "God with us" and well in a very literal way.
no i dont accept that it Jesus the Almighty, what is more, Christ never termed himself
the almighty or have you never read,
(John 14:28) . . .If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the
Father, because the Father is greater than I am. . .
its a typical trinitarian ploy to pick a scripture which may be viewed as ambiguous and
apply it to Christ to support the claim,
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71so what? there are squillions of Biblical names with references to God in them, how is it that Christ says of the father that he is greater, and you dont believe it?
They both call themselves the Alpha and Omega beginning and end (maybe not almighty) Another thing at Christ birth he was called Emmanuel and you know what that means. "God with us" and well in a very literal way.
Manny
If you read the book of revelation the Lamb and the Almighty are so intertwined that you can see they are one. Another title that Christ wears is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. They share the same throne and wear the same titles and why? I thought God did not share glory? When Christ was on the earth He was trying to Glorify the father and as you say so what?
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71tell me what is it about the statement, 'the father is greater than I', that leads you to this conclusion Manny? I have read the book of revelation many times, the Bible must be taken as a whole, to state that one part states something without recourse to the rest is not very consistent and leads to erroneous assumptions.
If you read the book of revelation the Lamb and the Almighty are so intertwined that you can see they are one. Another title that Christ wears is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. They share the same throne and wear the same titles and why? I thought God did not share glory? When Christ was on the earth He was trying to Glorify the father and as you say so what?
Manny
-Removed-Isaiah wasn't written in Greek, it was written in Hebrew.
In the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 concerning the Messiah, the title “Mighty God” is applied to the promised Prince of Peace. This expression, however, translates the Hebrew El Gibbohr, not El Shaddai (The Almighty)
-Removed-unbelievable denial???, please tell the forum what it is about the phrase, 'the father is greater than I', that you are unwilling to acknowledge? why are you stating that the Christ and God are the same when the Christ himself states,'the father is greater than I', that's an unbelievable denial.
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-Removed-'the father is greater than I', please dwell on that for a moment . . . . what do you think?
what about this,
(Philippians 2:5-6)Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who,
although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely,
that he should be equal to God. . .
why are you saying one thing when the scriptures clearly indicate another, why is that