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Is religious indoctrination child abuse?

Is religious indoctrination child abuse?

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Originally posted by FMF
Well I would have my moral take on the different situations and it might lead to me being an activist (or even standing for office), or to me being a conscientious objector in some way, or even to me not wanting to live in a certain society and moving, instead, to one that I found more morally sound. .
So what lawful objections do you have about the society I grew up in?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Which laws do you think my parents broke?
I don't know if they did.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
So then you would be happy to enforce your own opinions upon other people?
I'd be willing to take the possible actions that I listed. Would be happy to enforce your own opinions upon other people?


Originally posted by FMF
I don't know if they did.
So if they lawfully did nothing wrong that you are aware of, what gives you the right to judge them for the way they raised me?


Originally posted by dj2becker
So what lawful objections do you have about the society I grew up in?
If you mean the cult you were the victim of, I would say there ought to be laws to deal with the kinds of abuse detailed at that web site you directed us to. I don't know what South African law has to say about those things.


Originally posted by dj2becker
So if they lawfully did nothing wrong that you are aware of, what gives you the right to judge them for the way they raised me?
When you say "the right" and "judge" what are you on about?

If by "judge" you mean express a moral view in a debate on an internet message board, then what is your objection?

What "right" am I exercising that you object to?

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Are there laws against teaching children that white people are superior black people?
Are there laws against teaching children that burning hell is the result of not obeying parents?
Both should be laws, or none of them.

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Originally posted by FMF
If you mean the cult you were the victim of, I would say there ought to be laws to deal with the kinds of abuse detailed at that web site you directed us to. I don't know what South African law has to say about those things.
Is there a law against such things where you are from?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Is there a law against such things where you are from?
The kinds of abuse detailed at that web site you directed us to? I'd have to look into the specifics. Essentially yes ~ the country I live in is a signatory of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child ~ but some pretty morally unsound (in my view, that is) stuff goes on with impunity in some Islamic boarding schools here, and the authorities don't always want to get involved.

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Originally posted by FMF
The kinds of abuse detailed at that web site you directed us to? I'd have to look into the specifics. Essentially yes ~ the country I live in is a signatory of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child ~ but some pretty morally unsound (in my view, that is) stuff goes on with impunity in some Islamic boarding schools here, and the authorities don't always want to get involved.
I am talking about the supposed 'abuse' you think I suffered, are there laws against deprivation?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
I am talking about the supposed 'abuse' you think I suffered, are there laws against deprivation?
Like I said, I'd have to look into the specifics. The country I live in is a signatory of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child so yes, there are laws and by-laws about abuse and deprivation, but the authorities are not geared up to tackle it systematically. The activism I am involved in is more to do with education, training, awareness raising, and support to victims. But I'm not sure you should be measuring the cult you were a victim of against the goings on in Indonesia.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
I am talking about the supposed 'abuse' you think I suffered...
Like I said before. You described it. In some detail. You also conceded that you have been damaged by it. And you told us your parents apologized for it.

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Originally posted by FMF
Like I said, I'd have to look into the specifics. The country I live in is a signatory of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child so yes, there are laws and by-laws about abuse and deprivation, but the authorities are not geared up to tackle it systematically. The activism I am involved in is more to do with education, training, awareness raising, and sup ...[text shortened]... t sure you should be measuring the cult you were a victim of against the goings on in Indonesia.
What kind of support do you give victims?


Originally posted by dj2becker
What kind of support do you give victims?
I'm not going to tell you.

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Originally posted by FMF
Like I said before. You described it. In some detail. You also conceded that you have been damaged by it. And you told us your parents apologized for it.
I said it's one thing to get out of a cult but another thing to get the cult out of you. You then said I was damaged. I told what it is that I actually meant. Yet you still insist that I was damaged even after I have corrected you. Do you get a kick out of doing stuff like that?

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