Originally posted by dj2beckerI find the term 'child abuse' to have overtones of violence and so do not think it is the most suitable word here.
I'm guessing most people have been exposed to some form of religious indoctrination. Some people argue that this is a form of child abuse.
I also do not agree that 'religious indoctrination' is equivalent to 'teaching your children what you believe' as you later imply.
I do think it is wrong to lie to children, but recognise that such a practice is prevalent with regards to religion, Father Christmas, good behaviour and more. In fact I have often witnessed adults lying to children for fun, merely because they knew they could get away with it. There is no backlash when you lie to children and some people just seem to get a kick out of lying. Its rather like the internet.
But back to indoctrination: I once noticed my son punching his shoulder. He said that it was because the teachers had told them that the devil sits on your shoulder and whispers bad things in your ear. Now that is clearly something the teachers didn't themselves believe. I have again, often witnessed this sort of blatant lying to children about religious matters - often with the intent of ensuring the child grows up religious out of fear. I think that is wrong.
If you genuinely believe something then I have no objections to you teaching your children about it.
Originally posted by twhiteheadTo be fair to everyone who has been involved in the recent hundreds-of-posts discussion on another thread (that this thread is an extension of), the term "child abuse" has slipped in of late a bit lazily and taken the place of the psychological abuse and deliberate deprivation of children that has been under discussion and that is the topic of this thread too.
I find the term 'child abuse' to have overtones of violence and so do not think it is the most suitable word here.
FMF: How many years did you spend in "secular universities"?My question was: how many years did you spend in "secular universities"? You seemed to be claiming you know all about what goes on in them, who teaches, what they teach. On what basis do you claim to know?
Originally posted by dj2becker
Who decides what the correct skills and knowledge is to teach a young child, you or the university?
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Originally posted by FMFI did 2 years post grad at one and know many people who have spent much more time there. I never claimed to know everything. So are you going to answer the question I asked you?
My question was: how many years did you spend in "secular universities"? You seemed to be claiming you know all about what goes on in them, who teaches, what they teach. On what basis do you claim to know?
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Originally posted by dj2beckerFrom the limited amount I read about your experience, I am glad that God preserved you.
I did 2 years post grad at one and know many people who have spent much more time there. I never claimed to know everything. So are you going to answer the question I asked you?
And the fact that you came away from your cult experience with a love for God is encouraging.
Of course I have met many "X members" of different questionable and outright heretical groups which somehow were preserved in heart to love Christ.
Out of every kind of trials lovers of Christ have come.
God will always be able to point to them and put Satan to shame.
He brought them through, regardless. Praise the Lord.
Of course it is still sad that many were damaged to the point of never allowing the Holy Spirit to enter into their hearts, because of their rationalizing.
I'm glad God brought you through.
Originally posted by sonshipYou need to escape the cult you are in, but you are a weak-minded man.
From the limited amount I read about your experience, I am glad that God preserved you.
And the fact that you came away from your cult experience with a love for God is encouraging.
Of course I have met many "X members" of different questionable and outright heretical groups which somehow were preserved in heart to love Christ.
Out of every kind of ...[text shortened]... enter into their hearts, because of their rationalizing.
I'm glad God brought you through.