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Originally posted by lemon limeSo you disagree with Grampy Bobby's assertion?
I have never met a Christian who has professed to believe that only Christians have a human spirit or a "soul"... period.
Originally posted by FMFI just finished reading the exchange between sonship and GB, and it appears to me you are simply reiterating something sonship misunderstood about what GB was saying.
So you disagree with Grampy Bobby's assertion?
Originally posted by lemon limeBut aren't Christians ~ in Grampy Bobby's view, and yours, for that matter ~ people who make "a rational decision to choose for rather than against Christ"? If it is only then that people acquire the human spirit, in his clearly stated view, how can his words be interpreted as meaning anything other than that people other than Christians do not have human spirit? He specifically suggested that agnostics and atheists, for example, have "no human spirit".
I did not see GB saying only Christians have a soul (or human spirit). He made no such assertion.
Originally posted by lemon limeOn the contrary, I don't think either sonship or I have misunderstood Grampy Bobby at all.
I just finished reading the exchange between sonship and GB, and it appears to me you are simply reiterating something sonship misunderstood about what GB was saying.
Originally posted by FMFNo, it isn't. What I looked for was in the other thread you referenced. You picked up on something sonship said that misrepresented what GB was saying, and then you have the gall to ask me if I agree with GBs' assertion.
It's in the OP.
Originally posted by FMFHe specifically suggested that agnostics and atheists, for example, have "no human spirit".
But aren't Christians ~ in Grampy Bobby's view, and yours, for that matter ~ people who make "a rational decision to choose for rather than against Christ"? If it is only then that people acquire the human spirit, in his clearly stated view, how can his words be interpreted as meaning anything other than that people other than Christians do not have human spirit? He specifically suggested that agnostics and atheists, for example, have "no human spirit".
Originally posted by lemon limeI have quoted the discussion and Grampy Bobby's assertion verbatim.
No, it isn't. What I looked for was in the other thread you referenced. You picked up on something sonship said that misrepresented what GB was saying, and then you have the gall to ask me if I agree with GBs' assertion.
The only one here making this assertion is you... so where do you go from here? Are you going to try putting words in my mouth as well and try to start up something with me now?
Originally posted by FMFOh come on, so now I'm supposed to believe you've never heard of what it means to be spiritually dead? I suppose it's possible. Obama attended church nearly every week for what, 20 years or so... and he's not any smarter than you are.
On the contrary, I don't think either sonship or I have misunderstood Grampy Bobby at all.
Here are the relevant bits of the exchange:
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
sonship, the preponderance of contributors to this spirituality forum are self professed agnostics or atheists. Salvation is the only information an unbeliever can understand in the ...[text shortened]... before being saved but have spirit and soul and body after we are saved, I am sure is not right.
Originally posted by lemon limeYou addressing the matter under discussion would be more interesting than this kind of stuff. Grampy Bobby clearly suggested that agnostics and atheists, for instance, have "no human spirit". He left no room for doubt that this is his view even when questioned by sonship.
Oh come on, so now I'm supposed to believe you've never heard of what it means to be spiritually dead? I suppose it's possible. Obama attended church nearly every week for what, 20 years or so... and he's not any smarter than you are.
Originally posted by lemon limeOriginally posted by Grampy Bobby Thread 161838 (Page 7)
From another thread:
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"So the very reason I am glad that anyone begins to read the Bible is totally a matter of their human spirit being touched, even that the human spirit would be enlivened and regenerated..." -sonship
Originally posted by FMF
[b]Is the notion that human spirit is exclusive to C ...[text shortened]... sively widely-held Christians believe the human spirit is exclusive to widely-held Christian belief.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyExactly, as I have already explained.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby Thread 161838 (Page 7)
"So the very reason I am glad that anyone begins to read the Bible is totally a matter of their human spirit being touched, even that the human spirit would be enlivened and regenerated..." [b]-sonship
sonship, "the human spirit" is acquired [i]at the moment of salvati ...[text shortened]... erned by trichotomous human beings [body, soul and spirit]. What is "being touched" in context?"[/b]
Originally posted by lemon limeWhen I was still a Christian, I would never have suggested that atheists and agnostics had no human spirit. You're still a Christian; would you ever suggest that atheists and agnostics had no human spirit?
Christians believe everyone has a soul (and/or human spirit) so your question is puzzling in light of your extensive (former) experience of having once been a Christian.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThread 161838 (Page 8)
I wonder how GB would define "human spirit" in this context?