@sonship saidI know. Because I have been feeding back to you about your intellectual dishonesty for over 10 years and, if anything, it has been getting worse over the last several years. Logical fallacies = intellectual dishonesty. Your favourite one is the strawman.
I consider FMF's post just distraction on behalf of teacm atheism.
Count the seconds Ghost.
Not too long after the last post I post again.
Romans 8:28-30 is a marvelous window into the eternal purpose of God.
Read it aloud in faith why don't you all.
"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His [eternal] purpose. (v.28)
Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers; (v.29)
And those whom He predestinated, these He also called; and those whom He called, these He also justified, and thosee whom He justified, these He also glorified." (v.30)
Now I want you all to notice something very important about this passage which I will address below.
It says these were to be conformed to the image not of the only begotten Son of God but the Firstborn Son of God.
The Firstborn Son of God was begotten in resurrection! (Acts 13:33)
"That God has fullfilled this promise to us their children in raising up Jesus, as it is written in the second Psalm, "You are My Son; this day I have begotten You."
"THIS DAY" = the day of Christ's resurrection when the only begotten Son took on the additional status of being the Firstborn Son of God.
God's eternal purpose is that the saved be conformed to this One's image.
He is working everythin in the universe towards this end to those who love God and are called according to this eternal purpose.
Somebody else then.
What is the glorified in Romans 8:30 if it is not the result of the calling into the eternal glory of God in Christ Jesus?
It is the FIRST BORN Son of God who is leading many sons into this glory.
"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are allthings, in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author of their salvation perfect through suffering." (Heb. 2:10)
He is bring in the future His Firstborn into the inhabited earth.
And when He brings again the Firstborn into the inhavited earth, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." (Heb. 1:6)
@sonship
Cutting through all the hyperbole and irrelevancies, you have put forward the argument that God's eternal plan was for mankind to be deified.
I have yet to see a single Christian agree with you. What I have seen are Christians accuse you of blasphemy and openly challenge you on your cultist and unscriptural beliefs.
I think I should get some rest now.
Latter I'll see if Team Atheism has shown a good reason why Bible readers should not view being " called into His (God's) eternal glory in Christ Jesus" cannot be legitimately referred to as deification (within the limits of how we mean deified).
You might expect FMF to continue instead to hunt for darts towards my honesty and playing the low integrity card destractions, running to the dictionary to bulter up his personal ad homs.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
We dont "cut through" the word of the Scripture. We believe them.
You "cut through" the revelation that there is God to cling to atheism.
Maybe you also regard that as hypernole.
Some of us don't "cut through" what the Bible tells us in this way.
So here Ghost dimisses the oracles of God as hyperbole.
This is hyperbole to this atheist -
"And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one." (John 17:22)
No wonder Paul wrote that those whom God foreknew, called, and justified He also glorified. (Rom. 8:30)
And this glorification is the eternal glory of God in Christ Jesus (1 Pet. 5:10)
"Hyperbole" says the atheist who also considers the existence of God as "hyperbole apparently.
Who has missed the plot of the sixty six books of the Holy Bible?
Someone bring Ghost BACK to the plot and tell him about "Christ in you the hope of glory" (Col. 1:27)
IN a few hours I may be able to show you all that it is to the praise of the glory of God's grace that He so deify the saved. It is to the praise not of our effot, our will, our doing, our stribving, but God's grace empowering, enabling, supplying CHrist IN us as the way to come to the Father by His life and His truth.
Sleep well.
Out for this morning.
@sonship saidOn the thread all about it [the one you have effectively bailed out of, presumably in the face of some Christian pushback], I responded to your utterly insincere, performative "What else could THIS mean?" questions over and over and over and over again with non-far-fetched and non-sonship's-agenda-serving reasonable interpretations, and you just blanked them all out. Go back and look at that stuff.
Show me how God conforming the many sons to the image of the Firstborn Son of God (their glorification) is not deification.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWe will never be objects of worship; God isn't turning us into that; instead, God is glorified through us by what He manages to make of us. God is not a means towards our ends, where we get what we want by using God; God is getting out of us glory by turning us from sinners to saints. The byproduct of that is God's life in us, not the prime product where we get to use God as a stepping stone for us to be lifted by our efforts, by our righteousness, because we are all of that and so much more.
@sonship
Cutting through all the hyperbole and irrelevancies, you have put forward the argument that God's eternal plan was for mankind to be deified.
I have yet to see a single Christian agree with you. What I have seen are Christians accuse you of blasphemy and openly challenge you on your cultist and unscriptural beliefs.
Jesus manages to save us all not because He struck down the enemy of our souls, He took the devil's best shot, man's cruelty and endured all of that then taking on our sins suffering the wrath of God in our place, and through that won our redemption for us. There is no pride on our part that plays even the smallest part in our salvation; it is all God's, those who are full of themselves, those that think they are righteous in their own right will never experience Christ in them, you have to humble yourself and admit our sins against God and man for that, repenting of them, the proud will not.
-Removed-God is good, and we are not. God gave us the ability to love; we do evil instead when we choose not to. We are evil; God is good; God chose to redeem us because we could do nothing to fix ourselves and make it right, so God did it for us. We all have the right to become children of God redeemed by Jesus Christ as our Savior and Redeemer, and many reject Him; they love their sin and want to stay in it, so God does not violate their choices. Everything we do in the end has consequences no different than what takes place in this life.
@sonship saidTeam atheism? But Christians themselves have called your deification claims blasphemous.
I think I should get some rest now.
Latter I'll see if Team Atheism has shown a good reason why Bible readers should not view being " called into His (God's) eternal glory in Christ Jesus" cannot be legitimately referred to as deification (within the limits of how we mean deified).