Its amazing people think they know about god

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
I think something happened to you in life to turn you against religion. I don't know what it was, but it has caused you to make assumptions about Christians that simply aren't true. I've belonged to 3 churches in my life and NEVER have I had an intermediary to God. I get it: you think speaking to God is a one-way conversation. What I don't get is the ...[text shortened]... ch where you couldn't talk directly to Christ? Or God? Or whatever entity you worshipped?

The sad thing about religious people is the basic assumption there is a god and they speak to it. You were handed a line when you were a child and children automatically fall in with the parents. That has been going on for thousands of years and just because it has been going on so long gives it an air of validity having nothing to do with reality. Early man worshipped the sun, the moon, turtles, jaguars, lions, whatever, as gods and also did so for thousands of years and we can be pretty certain none of those things were gods and the same thing holds today. My beef is all these religions just making prognostications as if they were real. They are no more real than early man revering a wolf as a god.

Originally posted by sonhouse
The sad thing about religious people is the basic assumption there is a god and they speak to it. You were handed a line when you were a child and children automatically fall in with the parents. That has been going on for thousands of years and just because it has been going on so long gives it an air of validity having nothing to do with reality. Early ma ...[text shortened]... ostications as if they were real. They are no more real than early man revering a wolf as a god.

Early man worshipped the sun, the moon, turtles, jaguars, lions, whatever, as gods and also did so for thousands of years and we can be pretty certain none of those things were gods and the same thing holds today.

Didn't you read the story of Abraham?

Originally posted by sonhouse
So you think its ok if some tin god sets things up so there are opposing tribes killing one another all in the name of THEIR true god. Of course, you are blinded by the dogma of the last 2000 years, you bought it hook line and sinker. I feel sorry for your mind. That is the terrible waste here.

How did you get "I think is okay if some tin god..." does anything out
of what I said? I said I was amazed at the knowledge you seem to
want to display about God. Your factual knowlegde base on what is
true or not true is as impressive as anyone who professes anything
else about God being true or not true about God.
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
The sad thing about religious people is the basic assumption there is a god and they speak to it. You were handed a line when you were a child and children automatically fall in with the parents. That has been going on for thousands of years and just because it has been going on so long gives it an air of validity having nothing to do with reality. Early ma ...[text shortened]... ostications as if they were real. They are no more real than early man revering a wolf as a god.

How can you say that it is sad that religious people speak to God?
You know without a doubt God is not real, for you it isn't a matter of
faith, you know for a fact that God isn't real?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
How can you say that it is sad that religious people speak to God?
You know without a doubt God is not real, for you it isn't a matter of
faith, you know for a fact that God isn't real?
Kelly

When I look at things like religion I look at the results. What I see is death and misery in the name of religion. I see no redemption. You can keep your oh so happy afterlife, I want THIS life to be better and it for sure isn't by a long shot. I piss on your insane god.

Originally posted by sonhouse
When I look at things like religion I look at the results. What I see is death and misery in the name of religion. I see no redemption. You can keep your oh so happy afterlife, I want THIS life to be better and it for sure isn't by a long shot. I piss on your insane god.

Well one problem is that you don't know what this life would be like if it were not for religion. If god didn't say "Thou shalt do no murder," maybe somebody would have killed you by now. How can you know?

Also, the great wars of the 20th century were all about humanists not about religions. WWI was about crazy nationalism. WWII was about national socialism. The gulags of soviet Russia were about communism/socialism/Stalinism. The genocides in Asia and Africa are not about religion. I'd say the anti-theists side has some 'splainin' to do.

Originally posted by dinosaurus
Well one problem is that you don't know what this life would be like if it were not for religion. If god didn't say "Thou shalt do no murder," maybe somebody would have killed you by now. How can you know?

Also, the great wars of the 20th century were all about humanists not about religions. WWI was about crazy nationalism. WWII was about national ...[text shortened]... Africa are not about religion. I'd say the anti-theists side has some 'splainin' to do.

You haven't checked whats going on in africa right now have you?
Muslims are waging a war against native populations that don't want to have anything to do with islam and they are forcing them to convert or be killed, mostly being killed. You don't believe me? Look it up.
You don't believe this war in Iraq is about religion? You see the sunni's and shia making love? No, they are blowing each other's mosques. Sounds like religious deaths to me. The Jews getting killed by suicide bombers in Tel Aviv and Jesusalem, not religious in nature?
Do you know what Jihad means? I lived there for 4 years, I saw both sides of the issue. Jews were being slaughtered in palestine way before the 48 war. They would get along for a few years then the british would think the jews were getting uppity and let loose some palestinians and they would kill a few dozen here, a few hundred there, that happened right up to 1948 with the collusion of the british who figured they were on the right side of god so allowed it to happen. That enough splainin?

Originally posted by sonhouse
When I look at things like religion I look at the results. What I see is death and misery in the name of religion. I see no redemption. You can keep your oh so happy afterlife, I want THIS life to be better and it for sure isn't by a long shot. I piss on your insane god.

Well there is death and misery every where with those that have a
belief in God or gods and those that do not. Why do you think that
religion has cornered the market on such a things? You also see
schools, hospitals, and a host of other things that have helped
mankind too which man has religion to thank, so why only credit
religion with the bad things you see in mankind everywhere? I do
not for a second think without religion we would have see less
misery and death, personally I believe we would not have made it
this far without God or as you would say religion.

I do not see anyone here among the Christians anyway that also
does not want this life to be better, you have a hang up on that
too I'm afraid.
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
When I look at things like religion I look at the results. What I see is death and misery in the name of religion. I see no redemption. You can keep your oh so happy afterlife, I want THIS life to be better and it for sure isn't by a long shot. I piss on your insane god.

You "piss on my insane god", and you wonder why people don't feel
the love among those deny God. Your just a hate monger pure and
simple, and care nothing for the feelings of others.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You "piss on my insane god", and you wonder why people don't feel
the love among those deny God. Your just a hate monger pure and
simple, and care nothing for the feelings of others.
Kelly

I feel plenty for the feelings of others. It is your god I hate, as a concept, if it were real. Unfortunutely for you its about as real as the spaghetti monster. That is the sad part, that minds are totally wasted on this farce. The science that didn't get done, the art hijacked by religion, the music that could never have been written because the musicians were constrained to mainly write aria's about how great your god is. Following your false non-existant god has cost the human race in so many ways, the list I provided just now is just the start. I just feel pity for your delusions. Some of the ancient music with religious themes sound beautiful all right but it grinds my jaws to think about the blinders the genius writers had to put up with, prostituting their true talents having to grind out hosanna after hossana as if humanity is just an afterthought.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I feel plenty for the feelings of others. It is your god I hate, as a concept, if it were real. Unfortunutely for you its about as real as the spaghetti monster. That is the sad part, that minds are totally wasted on this farce. The science that didn't get done, the art hijacked by religion, the music that could never have been written because the musicians ...[text shortened]... true talents having to grind out hosanna after hossana as if humanity is just an afterthought.

I don't care what you think of my God, I would not treat you the same
way, finding something you hold dear in your life and publically saying
I'd piss on it. You do not care for other's feelings or if you do, you
are very selective about it.
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
For instance, in the bible it says 'god made man in his own image'. Well isn't that cute. I rather think it the other way round. Men invented gods to control people and build a power base and to be able to subjugate women and thats about it. Considering all the diabolically opposed religions on earth that sanction killing, do you seriously think that kind o ...[text shortened]... w THATS a godly thing to do, eh. What exactly is it about your god that makes it so insane?

Well Hitler didn't believe in God. So killing goes both ways for athiest and religions.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Well Hitler didn't believe in God. So killing goes both ways for athiest and religions.

Did he not believe in God? He often refers to supernatural things in his speeches - he repeatedly claims that providence "chose" him for this and that.

If you're getting at what I think you are then I actually agree with you though - morality (and lack thereof) isn't dependent on whether you believe in god or not.

Originally posted by sonhouse
You haven't checked whats going on in africa right now have you?
Muslims are waging a war against native populations that don't want to have anything to do with islam and they are forcing them to convert or be killed, mostly being killed. You don't believe me? Look it up.
You don't believe this war in Iraq is about religion? You see the sunni's and shia m ...[text shortened]... figured they were on the right side of god so allowed it to happen. That enough splainin?

Well, many of the things I note from you are not 20th century but 21st century. Second, I note your plethora of examples of Muslim groups spreading their fruits (death) in their regions. I also note in the press a lack of a Muslim voice to condemn these actions. Finally, I note that you don't dispute my observation that the great tragedies of the 20th century were not religious based, unless you count atheism among the religions. For myself, I don't consider the Moslim community to be a religion, but a cult. It is not derived from the one true God.

Originally posted by sonhouse
At the age of 8, just exactly who can possibly be religious, since an 8 yo hasn't even come close to finishing the development of the brain.
I was suspicious about the whole thing even before that, could never wrap my head around these two religions, both supposedly christian, both hating the other and one god was supposed to be responsible for these two? ...[text shortened]... rtoon picture labled Allah or some such. People died as a result. Yeah. Thats REAL godlike.

From reading your post here, I see a lot of criticism of religious people doing things that are not very "god-like." To make such observations, you must have some idea of things that would be "god-like." How can that be if there is no God? I think that perhaps without realizing it, you've admitted that there is a God, but that you're having a real hard time with people who are supposed to be his representatives.
Friend, so did Jesus. Don't forget that it was the religious establishment of his day that gave him the most trouble. But it didn't stop him from engaging them. He was committed to loving his enemies and telling them the truth even though doing so led to his death (not the end of the story, by the way. 🙂
So, if you see hypocrisy, speak out about it. If religious people have hurt you, you're going to have to forgive them if you expect to be forgiven for the wrongs you've done to others, too. That would be very "god-like" on your part. 🙂