Originally posted by twhitehead
You are trying to simplify a highly complex process. Even Scientology is far removed from what L Ron Hubbard came up with immediately after his bet. Religions evolve. And often without direct conscious thought or planning by those involved.
I agree that people can and have created "monstrous piles of books cleverly designed to control people" but I stron ...[text shortened]... erpetuated a religion.
Which other 'holy books' can you point to that fit your claim?
The books of the bible are supposed to be as if someone was a conduit to a god and just jotting down the 'lords' word. There is no such thing. It is all invented by man and man alone, with a few women thrown in for good measure. Don't forget, back 2-3,000 years ago, anyone who was literate, what was the literacy rate then, 1 percent? So anyone literate in their own language can just start writing down whatever comes to mind and then have a 'vision' and just make a claim 'god' spoke to him and told him this is how it is, I am a just god, blah blah blah. In truth there is no such thing as writings coming directly from a god. If there was a god, there would be no need for an intermediary, it would just say, ok humans, this is how it is.......
The fact that in these religions there is always someone who is the broker, the intermediary, who comes out of the mountain after a vision, speaks volumes about the likelyhood that any such event took place, simply because a real god would not need an intermediary and would not consider person A any better than person B, they would all be considered to be on the same level, as much as we would like to have our human totem pole of abilities, such and such a person is a REALLY REALLY good writer, I think (the god talking to himself) I'll have him be my ghost writer. Wow, how frigging arrogant can you get?
Like some omnipotent god couldn't just have 2 million copies of The Word appear just as easily as finding just that right person in the desert who just happened to have consumed one too many mushrooms if you know what I mean. The fact that people are so gullible as to believe such rubbish, thousands of years ago it was maybe more understandable but today, we can see billions of light years out into space, contemplate even other universes, and the like, we should bloody well know better than to believe someone who claims to 'speak' for some god. Its the originators of the various religions I am railing against, not the poor sap taken in by this claptrap. Anyone can start a religion, just look at Jim Jones or Iatollah or any of the rest, you can see how well THAT turned out, REALLY god like. So why do you think the history of christianity is any differant?
Christianity was hijacked by Paul, it wasn't even Christ's idea to do what paul made of it. Paul had to have a religion of miracles to sell it to the Romans, Christ didn't preach miracles, but paul saw the Romans absolutely required miracles in order for there to have a viable religion. They had their little miracles in the roman religions too, the temples had very saavy engineers who made incredibly intricate machines that convinced joe public that a miracle had just taken place. So in comes Paul. Hey there is this dude, jesus, and he fed THOUSANDS of people with one frigging loaf of bread and a fish, what about that! Come one, come all, partake of this bright shiny new religion that will replace all those rusty gods with one BIG god. How bout that! They will make a place for you in the AFTERLIFE and you will go to heaven after you die but ONLY if you do the rites just like we prescribe. Oh, btw, you women have to go to the back of the church, god does not like vagina's for some reason. Don't ask me, thats what he said......