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Originally posted by kirksey957My apologies. I misunderstood. It was Rwingett that was atheist. I still don't think you need God to do good, which is my point... uhm...
Actually, Clarence Jordan was a Baptist pastor.
Originally posted by stockenOne of the things I was hoping that this thread would do is remind us about how unique and glorious people are in their many ways of experiencing humanity and faith.
My apologies. I misunderstood. It was Rwingett that was atheist. I still don't think you need God to do good, which is my point... uhm...
Originally posted by kirksey957Yes, each individual carries with him/her both good and bad, and those of us who can find the balance and strength to do good (wether in fear of a God or not) deserve rememberence.
One of the things I was hoping that this thread would do is remind us about how unique and glorious people are in their many ways of experiencing humanity and faith.
Originally posted by checkbaiterI recall a story I heard when I first became a Christian in 1979. It
Thanks again for the history....it is amazing how people come and go, including Preachers, but the Word of God remains. I especially like this one..
""He who knows no hardships will know no hardiness. He who faces no calamity will need no courage. Mysterious though it is, the characteristics in human nature which we love best grow in a soil with a s ...[text shortened]... 119:71
71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted, that I may learn Your statutes.
(NKJ)
Originally posted by checkbaiterShame that we allow our notions of how things should work to get in
Thanks kirksey...I never knew the origins of this clinic. I do now.
The goodness of God seems overlooked at times. Look how He worked "in" these nuns, and doctors. There are many great institutions that were started by good Christian people. I'm afraid to say some are just the opposite today. Like some of our major universities....😉
Originally posted by KellyJayGood story..makes lots of sense to me .We are called to be rooted and grounded in Christ. When we step out of that too far, we fall as well.
I recall a story I heard when I first became a Christian in 1979. It
was about two men walking through a forest after a powerful storm.
One was a ranger, when they came upon a tree that had fallen over,
the ranger was asked what was wrong with the tree that could cause
such a thing. The reply was, it had gotten larger than its root system
could support ...[text shortened]... vel. How the reality of that plays
out I don't know, but it does make some sense to me.
Kelly
Originally posted by kirksey957I wanted to say one other thing upon reflection. As I recall DoctorScribbles asked a question in another thread if it were possible for someone who is not a Christian to do the Lord's work/will. I have no idea what Kauth's faith tradition is or even if he has one, but I think he clearly represents someone doing "spiritual work."
Have you ever heard someone say "he just needs to go out in the woods and find himself"? My next addition did just that. He may be the least recognizable of the people in this forum, but I believe ultimately he will have one of the most profound impacts on our culture, especially for men.
Bill Kauth, a social worker by training, went with severa ...[text shortened]... chapters in the UK and Europe, and even South Africa.
For more information go to www.mkp.org.
Originally posted by kirksey957Thank you for that one.
We hear a lot these days about the complicitus nature of the church during WW2. I hear more about the Catholic church, but protestant churches also turned a blind eye to the holocost. Our next addition paid dearly for his resistence to the Nazis.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer's works are still considered to be standard for any theologcal library. Interesting ...[text shortened]... his final message to George Bell in England: "This is the end, for me the beginning of life."
Originally posted by lucifershammerI think the end is missing...
Thank you for that one.
I'm reminded of Maximilian Kolbe. His story is famous, but is worth a retelling:
His name wasn't always Maximilian. He was born the second son of a poor weaver on 8 January 1894 at Zdunska Wola near Lodz in Poland, and was given the baptismal name of Raymond.
In 1907, Raymond and his elder brother entered a junior ...[text shortened]... were opened the poor wretches cried loudly and begged for a piece of bread and for water, wh...
Originally posted by HalitoseSilly word limits. 🙂
I think the end is missing...
Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: " I hear more about the Catholic church, but protestant churches also turned a blind eye to the holocost."
We hear a lot these days about the complicitus nature of the church during WW2. I hear more about the Catholic church, but protestant churches also turned a blind eye to the holocost. Our next addition paid dearly for his resistence to the Nazis.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer's works are still considered to be standard for any theologcal library. Interesting ...[text shortened]... his final message to George Bell in England: "This is the end, for me the beginning of life."
Originally posted by ivanhoeHe's not saying that the Catholic Church did turn a blind eye - just that a lot of talk today claims it did.
[b]Kirk: " I hear more about the Catholic church, but protestant churches also turned a blind eye to the holocost."
The Roman Catholic Church did not turn a blind eye to the holocaust. If you read the thread(s) about the subject you should have come to that conclusion reading them.[/b]
Originally posted by lucifershammerThis is what Kirk wrote:
He's not saying that the Catholic Church did turn a blind eye - just that a lot of talk today claims it did.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIf you want to focus on me and the details of what I write and what it may say about me, that is fine Frankly the subject has been worn out in other posts. This thread is one of the most positive and thought provoking of any the threads in this forum since it was started. You seem to be the only one who has complained about it and it seems to be about me. So be it.
This is what Kirk wrote:
Kirk: "We hear a lot these days about the complicitus nature of the church during WW2. I hear more about the Catholic church, but protestant churches also turned a blind eye to the holocost."
I do not want to start a discussion about this, but if you read the second sentence using the word "also" I cannot come to another co ...[text shortened]... Church "turned a blind eye" to the holocaust.
I hope Kirk can bring clarity to this issue.