Jehovah's Witnesses Refuse to Serve in the Military

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it as yet remains unanswered.

It seems that RJH wants to defend his country and no doubt all it stands for. I'm assuming that would mean the right for all it's citizens to have the freedom of religion and to live by it's beliefs? Apparently not as he seems to think we don't have that right.

Originally posted by bbarr
Roughly 5,000 JW's died in concentration camps in WW2. They refused any manner of military service, and it was their pacifism that got them interned. They were given the option of release if they disavowed their faith and swore to take up weapons and protect the fatherland, but few if any did. Should they have simply served in the German army? Was this pacifism Satanic?

Good post. So if we did as RJH says to do and if the JW's in Germany had decided to fight for their country, then that would mean they would have fought against the American army and would have possibly killed someone who was related to RJH.
If he did happen to have a relative in WW2 and did survive it, maybe it's because that JW that could have killed this relative was in the concentration camps being beaten and starved or killed.
Just food for thought...........

Originally posted by FMF
Maybe I have missed the thread where our resident JWs have condemned RJHinds as "Satanic". If I'd seen it I would have condemned it, and if I do I will.

You will have to go back awhile and look at all the post if you are
really interested in finding it. But I suspect you are not really that
interested. You would rather just keep condemning a Christian.

Originally posted by galveston75
It seems that RJH wants to defend his country and no doubt all it stands for. I'm assuming that would mean the right for all it's citizens to have the freedom of religion and to live by it's beliefs? Apparently not as he seems to think we don't have that right.

I believe in freedom of religion for all, but that does not mean I give
up my right to defend the truth and expose false teachings. The main
point is that you use false teachings to try and condemn those like
myself who have server honorably in the military. I don't like it.

Originally posted by galveston75
Good post. So if we did as RJH says to do and if the JW's in Germany had decided to fight for their country, then that would mean they would have fought against the American army and would have possibly killed someone who was related to RJH.
If he did happen to have a relative in WW2 and did survive it, maybe it's because that JW that could have killed ...[text shortened]... the concentration camps being beaten and starved or killed.
Just food for thought...........

This is the problem with you guys. You can't seem to be able to see
the difference in a good government worthy to be defended and an
evil government.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There is no scriptual bases for them to condemn me for being part of the
military and the government; yet they have tried to add to and twist scripture
to do just that. I have pointed this out on another thread. I have been trying
to defend my faith and belief that it is not a sin to serve in the Military or the
government and that scripture does not s ...[text shortened]... be willing to serve. This is Satanic and antichrist propaganda
for Christ meant no such thing.

true, but remember the words of Christ: do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

Originally posted by RJHinds
You will have to go back awhile and look at all the post if you are
really interested in finding it. But I suspect you are not really that
interested. You would rather just keep condemning a Christian.

I personally have never called you a satanic person. But I have said some of the things you believe are of a satanic or paganistic origin such as the trinity. There is a big differance my friend.

Originally posted by RJHinds
This is the problem with you guys. You can't seem to be able to see
the difference in a good government worthy to be defended and an
evil government.

So this is a good government?

Originally posted by galveston75
I personally have never called you a satanic person. But I have said some of the things you believe are of a satanic or paganistic origin such as the trinity. There is a big differance my friend.

Maybe it's time all the Christians here back off from saying the beliefs of others are Satanic? I have yet to see this allegation contribute to meaningful discussion or debate.

Originally posted by bbarr
Maybe it's time all the Christians here back off from saying the beliefs of others are Satanic? I have yet to see this allegation contribute to meaningful discussion or debate.

Well if it weren't true but I agree that the attacking is way out of hand.

Originally posted by FMF
Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, digs are in the eye of the dug. You're wasting your time and that's not 'one' opinion, it's the [b]only opinion that matters when it comes to whether your flimsy digs find their mark. 😉[/b]

"Digs". I can only recall 2 in the last few months. One to you and one to Suzziane.

So you actually only got one "dig" and you can say what you want but when you go bold like that I know you have been "dug" just a little ...😉

Originally posted by RJHinds
You would rather just keep condemning a Christian.

I am clearly not "condemning a Christian" here for being a Christian. Nothing of the sort. I am simply imploring you - and others brandishing accusations of Satanism - to embrace diversity of faith in this community and exercise some common decency.

Originally posted by galveston75
I personally have never called you a satanic person. But I have said some of the things you believe are of a satanic or paganistic origin such as the trinity. There is a big differance my friend.

Calling a fellow Christian "satanic" is just about the meanest thing you can think of to say, isn't it? How bitter faith can make some people when it turns into a kind sociopathic certainty!

Originally posted by FMF
Calling a fellow Christian "satanic" is just about the meanest thing you can think of to say, isn't it? How bitter faith can make some people when it turns into a kind sociopathic certainty!

He calls anyone who disagrees with his particular view of religion as satanic, including atheists.

He has a perfect reasoning to back it up...

Satan wants people to not believe in god (or believe in a false god) and thus go to hell rather
than heaven.
Satan doesn't care if you believe in him or not (less of an ego problem than god) so even those
who don't believe in any of this nonsense are following satan.

It's faultless... if satan (or god) actually existed...

However bringing up the fact that he thinks everyone who doesn't follow his own particularly nutty
brand of Christianity (he's a YEC which is where the particularly nutty comes from) is a Satanist
is insulting and nicely ironically Un-Christian... in the way that Christians have been for millennia.

Originally posted by FMF
A dig isn't a dig unless it digs.

I can dig that.

And I hope I haven't dug myself into a hole by saying so.