Originally posted by ThinkOfOnePhil.3:7-11
You can quote Paul all day, but if you fail to obey the words of Jesus who are you following?
"Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord', yet you don't do what I tell you?"
It's as if Jesus had you in mind when He said this.
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
And Jesus had this in mind when He told Paul to write it down so you could read it and obey Him!
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I've read debates like this one on here before. The next step is the claim that John, like Paul, also wished to deify Christ and thus slanted his gospel to attain that end.
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Nope! You've aready taken the "next" expected step - discredit the Gospel of John and pretend that only the synoptics are valid.
THEN, I take the next step: Prove that Christ is taught as God incarnate in the synoptic Gospels as well.. THATS usually how it goes.
Originally posted by josephwWhat do you believe Jesus meant when He said the following:
Phil.3:7-11
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is ...[text shortened]... And Jesus had this in mind when He told Paul to write it down so you could read it and obey Him!
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever"
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
Originally posted by jaywillI would have thought that my post made it clear that I was referring to how others have debated this, and not necessarily debating it myself.
SwissGambit
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I've read debates like this one on here before. The next step is the claim that John, like Paul, also wished to deify Christ and thus slanted his gospel to attain that end.
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Nope! You've aready taken the "next" expected step - discredit the Gospel of Jo ...[text shortened]... as God incarnate in the synoptic Gospels as well.. THATS usually how it goes.[/b]
But it's still an interesting debate. Let's hear your case for deity-Jesus in the synoptic gospels.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnePs 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
What do you believe Jesus meant when He said the following:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever"
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
What do you think David meant in this verse?
Originally posted by SwissGambitDid you miss my post on page 3? I would be interested in your reply.
I would have thought that my post made it clear that I was referring to how others have debated this, and not necessarily debating it myself.
But it's still an interesting debate. Let's hear your case for deity-Jesus in the synoptic gospels.
Originally posted by josephwWhat is it about the words of Jesus that keep you from seriously considering them? If you call Him "Lord", shouldn't you start with His words and fit the rest of the Bible around them, instead of the other way around which is what you do?
Ps 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
What do you think David meant in this verse?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThat's not at all what I do.
What is it about the words of Jesus that keep you from seriously considering them? If you call Him "Lord", shouldn't you start with His words and fit the rest of the Bible around them, instead of the other way around which is what you do?
I think what you do is buy a Bible, tear out the gospels, and throw the rest away.
Originally posted by josephwThen provide an explanation as to what Jesus meant by the following:
That's not at all what I do.
I think what you do is buy a Bible, tear out the gospels, and throw the rest away.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever"
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneJesus spoke of UNREPENTENT sin----you know, like uncontrite bullies?
Then provide an explanation as to what Jesus meant by the following:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever"
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
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Originally posted by PinkFloydYes repentance is extremely important. Repentance as in turning away from sin and not merely feeling remorse.
Jesus spoke of UNREPENTENT sin----you know, like uncontrite bullies?
Actually read His words:
"Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
Which definition do you think Jesus is speaking about?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhen we sin, we "work" sin. That's a given. We don't cede our salvation when we do. Fortunately for all of us...
Yes repentance is extremely important. Repentance as in turning away from sin and not merely feeling remorse.
Actually read His words:
"Whosoever [b]committeth sin is the servant of sin."
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
Which definition do you think Jesus is speaking about?[/b]
Originally posted by PinkFloydYou can believe whatever you like, but Jesus says otherwise:
When we sin, we "work" sin. That's a given. We don't cede our salvation when we do. Fortunately for all of us...
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever"
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI think not. We often "depart" from the Lord. but in His mercy, He welcomes us back as we seek forgiveness.
You can believe whatever you like, but Jesus says otherwise:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [b]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever"
"Depart from me, you who work iniquity."[/b]
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Originally posted by PinkFloydDo the words of Jesus mean nothing to you?
I think not. We often "depart" from the Lord. but in His mercy, He welcomes us back as we seek forgiveness.
Matthew 7:21-23
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day,'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'"
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way.