Originally posted by bill718Er...um....Jesus came for the Jews first. He then extended his message later to the gentiles. That is, every one else who were not Jews.
Who is greater? An interesting question. Has anyone considered that maybe God reveled himself to the gentiles through Jesus, and God reveled himself to the Arab tribes through Muhammad? Perhaps one was not designed to be "greater" than the other. 😏
Originally posted by no1marauderYou forgot to include Enoch. 😉
Elijah ascended to Heaven without having to physically die. Does that make him greater than Jesus in your view?
All I will say is that all this talk of "greatness" would have been counterproductive if you were to ask Christ because his response would probably have been, "Whoever among you wants to become the greatest you must first become the least of all men" As for Christ, he became a servant to men and focused on the least in the kingdom of heaven as opposed to those of "worldly" value.
Of course, add to that the Christian view that Christ was the Messiah that ALL the prophets pointed to and him being the ONLY begotten Son of God, and you get a better picture of how Christians think of him.
Originally posted by BadwaterI think you are onto something here. Whoever is exalted above all else will be greater in the eyes of those exalting them. For the Muslim it is Mohammed and for the Christian it is Christ. Of course, I say this ONLY in terms of man's perception of who is greater. The truth of the matter has little to do with common perception. For example, if Christ be the ONLY begotten Son of God and was, in fact, God in the flesh, your thesis would have to be incorrect but if he was merely a man as was Mohammad, then your thesis is spot on.
Whether Jesus or Mohammed is greater than the other only exists in the eyes of their given followers. Neither is greater than the other.
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Originally posted by chappy1It's possible you are correct...I don't know. As a Christian I must confess I don't know enough about the Qur'an to comment on it.
An interesting twist you've suggested. However if that was the case then why do the Bible and the Qur'an state that Jesus was born of a virgin? Why do the Bible and the Qur'an state that Jesus was sinless? Why do the Bible and Qur'an state that Jesus ascended to heaven? If they were both equal in stature and purpose then why does Jesus have all of these m ...[text shortened]... re, they both could not have been equal in message because their messages were NOT the same!
It was just a suggestion of mine that perhaps God reveled the message about Jesus to the Muslems in a different way, and that it's possible it is not in conflict with the Bible. 😏
Originally posted by bill718Well in the Islam Jesus is not considered to be the Son of God so the message about Jesus could not be revealed through Muhammed because it is not the same as the Christian message.
It's possible you are correct...I don't know. As a Christian I must confess I don't know enough about the Qur'an to comment on it.
It was just a suggestion of mine that perhaps God reveled the message about Jesus to the Muslems in a different way, and that it's possible it is not in conflict with the Bible. 😏
Originally posted by chappy1Allahhu Akbar. Muhammed is the Final Prophet of God, and His dictation from the Angel Gabriel was the least flawed as it was taken immediately. Jesus Christ may have been a prophet, but it seems to me he didn't do much besides burn some fig trees and convince the world that he wasn't dead. Muhammed is a more recent prophet with a more accurate representation of God.
Who is greater Jesus or Muhammad? Let's analyze this shall we?
Did Jesus have an earthly father?
Bible:
His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" The angel answered, "The Holy Sp ...[text shortened]... ther except through me"- Jesus
John 14:6
Merry Christmas!
Originally posted by scherzoSo did Allah tell him that its ok to be a pedophile?
Allahhu Akbar. Muhammed is the Final Prophet of God, and His dictation from the Angel Gabriel was the least flawed as it was taken immediately. Jesus Christ may have been a prophet, but it seems to me he didn't do much besides burn some fig trees and convince the world that he wasn't dead. Muhammed is a more recent prophet with a more accurate representation of God.
Originally posted by scherzoHe didn't do much? He didn't do much?! What?! What are you talking about?! Convince people he wasn't dead?! I'd like to see you convince someone that you're not dead after you died! I'd say that's pretty significant! What about walking on water, making the blind see, calming a storm, turning water into wine? What about all that? Was that nothing too?! What about the biggest of them all? What about him taking the sins of the world on his shoulders so that we can have a chance to spend with him in eternity? What about that?
Allahhu Akbar. Muhammed is the Final Prophet of God, and His dictation from the Angel Gabriel was the least flawed as it was taken immediately. Jesus Christ may have been a prophet, but it seems to me he didn't do much besides burn some fig trees and convince the world that he wasn't dead. Muhammed is a more recent prophet with a more accurate representation of God.
Muhammed was a false prophet. It was not Angel Gabriel that spoke to him in the cave! It was someone or something that intended on leading humanity astray- and they've done a very good job!
Originally posted by no1marauderThis one has always amused me. Allah creates the messenger and then
One day Muhammad was sitting alone in the wilderness near Mecca when the Angel Gabriel appeared to him. The Angel commanded Muhammad to read. Muhammad responded "I am not a reader." The Angel Gabriel then taught Muhammad some verses from the Quran, which Muhammad memorized.
sends the Angel Gabriel to fill him in, not taking into account that his
messenger can't read.
Gabriel: Allah? What the... he can't even read!
Allah: Oh, right. I forgot that. Uhm, well, just tell him to memorise the whole thing, 'k?
Gabriel: Can't you just stuff his head directly, and I wouldn't... nnnno, I guess not. Uhm.
And for ten days Gabriel worked hard filling the poor illiterates' head with
the wisdom of Qu'ran, until finally Muhammed was ready to return to the
others and spread the word of God Almighty, Allah, as it was taught to
him.
Only, he couldn't quite remember everything so he kinda filled in the
blanks himself, to which Allah smacked his forehead and said: Oh, no.
Not again! Pfffff...
Originally posted by chappy1The thing about water and blind men and all that were metaphors. You don't see the Qur'an being so hardheaded about Muhammed. Muhammed was merely a trader who received the final word from God.
He didn't do much? He didn't do much?! What?! What are you talking about?! Convince people he wasn't dead?! I'd like to see you convince someone that you're not dead after you died! I'd say that's pretty significant! What about walking on water, making the blind see, calming a storm, turning water into wine? What about all that? Was that nothing too ...[text shortened]... or something that intended on leading humanity astray- and they've done a very good job!
Jesus definitely existed. There's no denying that. But he was not the final prophet of God. He was a prophet, but not The Prophet. Abraham, Moses, and Noah were prophets too. But they were not the final prophet of God.
It's not hard to convince people you're dead when you're not. It happened to Mark Twain. Why couldn't the opposite work?
Originally posted by scherzouh, because you're dead! How would you do any convincing?!
The thing about water and blind men and all that were metaphors. You don't see the Qur'an being so hardheaded about Muhammed. Muhammed was merely a trader who received the final word from God.
Jesus definitely existed. There's no denying that. But he was not the final prophet of God. He was a prophet, but not The Prophet. Abraham, Moses, and Noah were pro ...[text shortened]... e you're dead when you're not. It happened to Mark Twain. Why couldn't the opposite work?
Originally posted by scherzoHow do you explain abrogation in the Koran?
The thing about water and blind men and all that were metaphors. You don't see the Qur'an being so hardheaded about Muhammed. Muhammed was merely a trader who received the final word from God.
Jesus definitely existed. There's no denying that. But he was not the final prophet of God. He was a prophet, but not The Prophet. Abraham, Moses, and Noah were pro ...[text shortened]... e you're dead when you're not. It happened to Mark Twain. Why couldn't the opposite work?