John 14:5,6

Originally posted by @thinkofone

"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Go therefore and disciple all the nations ..." (See Matthew 28:18,19a)

Let's do the whole three verses.

"And Jesus came and spoke with them, saying,

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all the days until the consummation of the age." (Matt. 28:18-20)

Originally posted by @sonship

Others have provided you an alternative explanation of "My Father's house". Tell us why what they put on the table is more believable then what I briefly presented.

Here's your chance to show a better explanation.[/b]

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke

'Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.'

In other words, Christ was going out of his way to reassure his followers they would not only be with him after death but would take up positions of authority (like priests). - In this way, your beloved 'Father's House' is to be understood as the temple clearly referenced earlier in John 2:16:

'And said to them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.'

Again, you have over complicated the meaning of the text. Jesus was merely using the 'temple language' due to its familiarity to the people who were hearing it. Nothing to do with an indwelling God. Indeed, the Bible says absolutely nothing about 'My Father's House' in relation to a heavenly destination.

Originally posted by @sonship
Let's do the whole three verses.

[quote] [b] "And Jesus came and spoke with them, saying,

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold I am ...[text shortened]... f Christ.

And it goes without saying that ThinkofOne does not want to be a disciple of Jesus.

John 3
“Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin...If you [abide] in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free...The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever."

John 15
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you...that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned."

Again, you have over complicated the meaning of the text. Jesus was merely using the 'temple language' due to its familiarity to the people who were hearing it. Nothing to do with an indwelling God. Indeed, the Bible says absolutely nothing about 'My Father's House' in relation to a heavenly destination.

"The Jews then answered and said to Him, What sign do you show us seeing that you do these things? (v.18)

Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (v.19)

"But He spoke of the temple of His body. (v.21)

When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the words Jesus had spoken."(v.22)

" And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will BUILD My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." (Matt. 16:18)

"I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of the heavens, ..." (v.19a)

"You also ... are being built up a spiritual house into a holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:5)

Nothing to do with an indwelling God. Indeed, the Bible says absolutely nothing about 'My Father's House' in relation to a heavenly destination.

" ... If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink, He who believes into Me, as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.

But this He said concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet because Jesus had not yet been glorified." (See John 7:37-39)

" But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall by no means thirst forever, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water gushing up into eternal life." (John 4:14)

Nothing to do with an indwelling God. Indeed, the Bible says absolutely nothing about 'My Father's House' in relation to a heavenly destination.

Christianity has usually misunderstood John 14:2,3 to mean something like this:

Jesus is going to Heaven to prepare mansions, luxurious large mansions for everyone. And they think for two thousand years Jesus has been there in Heaven preparing curtains, rugs, windows, and all the things that make beautiful physical mansions. Then He will come a second time and bring His saved people to their mansions in heaven.

This is a natural religious thought and not the revelation of the Bible.

Indeed, the Bible says absolutely nothing about 'My Father's House' in relation to a heavenly destination.

"Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you." (1 Cor. 3:16)

"In whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in spirit." (Eph. 2:22)

" ... I write that you may know how one ought to conduct himself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth." (See 1 Tim. 1:15)

Originally posted by @sonship
Let's do the whole three verses.

[quote] [b] "And Jesus came and spoke with them, saying,

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold I am ...[text shortened]... f Christ.

And it goes without saying that ThinkofOne does not want to be a disciple of Jesus.

John 3
“Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin...If you [abide] in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free...The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever."

John 15
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you...that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned."

Believe that:
"Jesus died a redemptive death...Jesus rose from the dead...Jesus walked on earth after He rose from the dead...all authority in heaven and earth is in the hands of Jesus Christ... He is with His disciples all the days until the consummation of the age at the physical second coming of Christ".

Evidently the above is the definition of a disciple of Jesus according to the gospel preached by jaywill.
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While Jesus walked the earth AFTER His rising from the dead, He instructed His disciples about the core essence of His ministry:

" And He said to them, O foolish and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and enter into His glory?

And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, He explained to them clearly in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself." (Luke 24:25-27)

After Jesus rose from the dead and began again to walk the earth, He explained what His work was and what the disciples were to do.

"And He said to them, These are My words which I spoke to you while I was with you, that all the things written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and Psalms concerning Me must be fulfilled.

Then He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures; And He said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise up from the dead on the third day,

And that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem..

You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I send forth the promise of My Father upon you, but as for you, stay in the city until you put on power from on high." (Luke 24:44-49)

Originally posted by @thinkofone

A true disciple must live, i.e. "abide in", the words spoken by Jesus when He preached His gospel during His ministry, stop committing sin and bear much fruit.
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John 15 is crucial and Luke 24 is also.

Don't trust any attempt of an unbeliever to argue that John 15 is essential to Christian discipleship but Luke 24 is not.

The person using this kind of logic, you can be sure, is opposing the ministry of Jesus Christ.


"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
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Indeed.

Originally posted by @sonship
You think so? Well, with the way you're examining the Scriptures maybe I should get out the way and let the Lord show you what He would you to see.