Originally posted by galveston75The science, medical, legal, etc, etc, fields have done some great things. No JW will ever say differently. But the organization does not encourage us to pursue that because we feel we have made a commitment by baptism that we will devote our life's as much as possible to do the work Jesus told us all to do.
Have I ever said that higher education was wrong for ones that see that as something they decide to do? Have I ever said that if a JW decides to follow that course that they would be kicked out of the organization?
I believe I haven't.
So instead of you guys doing your typical knee jerk reactions I'll clear this up.
The science, medical, legal, etc, ...[text shortened]... in the paradise that the bible promisses. We are simply doing what Jesus told us to do...
I see now. Basically you are just parasites, happy to reap the benefits of higher education but unwilling to contribute yourself. I am so glad your aggressive evangelism at people's doors has not converted many. It would mean the end of civilisation.
Originally posted by Conrau KYour statements are really making you look bad. But yes your right. We just hang around and suck like leaches. We never work and just collect food stamps and welfare....Geeeez. Grow up dude!!!! Why do you even post? Make your comments look like more then a 10 year olds.
[b]The science, medical, legal, etc, etc, fields have done some great things. No JW will ever say differently. But the organization does not encourage us to pursue that because we feel we have made a commitment by baptism that we will devote our life's as much as possible to do the work Jesus told us all to do.
I see now. Basically you are just para ...[text shortened]... ve evangelism at people's doors has not converted many. It would mean the end of civilisation.[/b]
Originally posted by galveston75Sorry, your statements are making you look bad not Conrau's.
Your statements are really making you look bad. But yes your right. We just hang around and suck like leaches. We never work and just collect food stamps and welfare....Geeeez. Grow up dude!!!! Why do you even post? Make your comments look like more then a 10 year olds.
He hits the nail on the head. What would happen to civilisation if everyone was a JW? The lights would go out pretty quick.
Originally posted by Proper KnobLol..If everyone was a JW the world would be great. No wars, no murders, no adultry, no stealing, no false religions. Sounds pretty good to me.
Sorry, your statements are making you look bad not Conrau's.
He hits the nail on the head. What would happen to civilisation if everyone was a JW? The lights would go out pretty quick.
Originally posted by galveston75I never said you did not work. I am sure you are hard workers, although, as you said before, your organisation discourages additional work which would distract people from their missionary activities. My point is simply this, you indirectly use higher education but then oppose it. That's hypocrisy. I also wonder whether you have considered the implications of your missionary activities. If everyone converted, and higher education ended, then much of civilisation would no longer be workable.
Your statements are really making you look bad. But yes your right. We just hang around and suck like leaches. We never work and just collect food stamps and welfare....Geeeez. Grow up dude!!!! Why do you even post? Make your comments look like more then a 10 year olds.
Originally posted by galveston75Are you saying that your organisation is completely free of wrong-doing, that there has never been a case of infidelity in a marriage, theft or murder, or sexual abuse?
Lol..If everyone was a JW the world would be great. No wars, no murders, no adultry, no stealing, no false religions. Sounds pretty good to me.
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Originally posted by Conrau Kactually we view higher education as a means to an end, not that it has any virtue in itself.
[b]The science, medical, legal, etc, etc, fields have done some great things. No JW will ever say differently. But the organization does not encourage us to pursue that because we feel we have made a commitment by baptism that we will devote our life's as much as possible to do the work Jesus told us all to do.
I see now. Basically you are just para ...[text shortened]... ve evangelism at people's doors has not converted many. It would mean the end of civilisation.[/b]
We take as our example the Apostle Paul, a man, with a higher education. It is recorded in scripture, that he was taught at the foot of renowned teacher Gamilel, , that he knew Greek, that his father was a Roman, a position of privilege and influence in the ancient world, yet Paul worked as a tent maker, why was that? because it afforded him the freedom to dedicate his time to helping others spiritually.
Each year, hundreds of thousands of persons are helped to overcome extreme poverty, alcoholism, drug addiction, addiction to tobacco, prostitution etc etc through the application of Biblical principles, because a Jehovahs witness sacrificed the opportunity of a lucrative career to help them. After all, is putting others ahead of ourselves not what Christianity is all about,
(John 15:13) 13 No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends. . .
that being self sacrificing love!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo do you or don't discourage higher education? This was the claim made in the OP.
actually we view higher education as a means to an end, not that it has any virtue in itself.
We take as our example the Apostle Paul, a man, with a higher education. It is recorded in scripture, that he was taught at the foot of renowned teacher Gamilel, , that he knew Greek, that his father was a Roman, a position of privilege and influence i ...[text shortened]... one should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends. . .
that being self sacrificing love!
Originally posted by galveston75hey, you're the one that said Christ never said to pursue higher education, I was just pointing out how silly that statement is.
Wow..getting silly now. There are many things Jesus didn't say but to use that example is really going out there.
But if one is looking at Jesus as what a Christian should be doing, he led us not only by command but also by example.
Again there are 2 major points about looking at Jesus that should be clear. First he did not pursue any type of higher ...[text shortened]... y he never encouraged his followers to do that? There is a very obvious reason but do you know?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBelow are some extracts from your 'partner in delusion', Mr Galvo, over the last few pages. I've highlighted some of them.
there are not a few Witnesses who are doctors, engineers, scientists, what is your point?
But if one is looking at Jesus as what a Christian should be doing, he led us not only by command but also by example. Again there are 2 major points about looking at Jesus that should be clear. First he did not pursue any type of higher positions either spiritually or secularly. Remember he was a carpenter, not a mathematition, or politician or even some high and mighty religious leader........................And he never ever told any of his followers to do any aditional schooling or the pursuit of higher learning......................The science, medical, legal, etc, etc, fields have done some great things. No JW will ever say differently. But the organization does not encourage us to pursue that because we feel we have made a commitment by baptism that we will devote our life's as much as possible to do the work Jesus told us all to do.......................Again I ask if a higher education was Jesus's concern for us he would have mentioned that many times. But he didn't tell anyone to do that once. If there is one scripture that says we are to pursue a higher education anywhere in the Bible, show it to me.
The implication is that becasue Jesus never mentioned any form of extra schooling or higher learning JW's should therefore not pursue such a course.
My question then is if the world was full of JW's? How would the world be run if no one pursued further education? Who'd be the doctors? the engineers? the scientists?
Originally posted by Conrau KWell it's not true that we oppose it. As I said we do appreciate it very much and not all JW's have been JW's all their life's. Many have become JW's later in their years ans still serve society very well in positions that a higher education would allow them.
I never said you did not work. I am sure you are hard workers, although, as you said before, your organisation discourages additional work which would distract people from their missionary activities. My point is simply this, you indirectly use higher education but then oppose it. That's hypocrisy. I also wonder whether you have considered the implications ...[text shortened]... e converted, and higher education ended, then much of civilisation would no longer be workable.
And how could we oppose what higher education supplies to all? Should we ignor the red lights at an intersection just because we may not have had a hand in developing that system? Would you prefer us not to use such a system as that?
( The head manager and designer of the street directional light system in Phoenix Arizona is an Elder in the Papaogo Park congregation. FYI )
Originally posted by duecerWell he didn't even hint to do that. But if you have proof he slightly thought it was ok then show me.... I'll be waitng for your proof he thought it was ok.
hey, you're the one that said Christ never said to pursue higher education, I was just pointing out how silly that statement is.
Originally posted by galveston75Well it's not true that we oppose it. As I said we do appreciate it very much and not all JW's have been JW's all their life's. Many have become JW's later in their years ans still serve society very well in positions that a higher education would allow them.
Well it's not true that we oppose it. As I said we do appreciate it very much and not all JW's have been JW's all their life's. Many have become JW's later in their years ans still serve society very well in positions that a higher education would allow them.
And how could we oppose what higher education supplies to all? Should we ignor the red lights ...[text shortened]... ctional light system in Phoenix Arizona is an Elder in the Papaogo Park congregation. FYI )
But they are, after all, converts? Surely the should admit that had they become a JW earlier, they would not have pursued that career path.
And how could we oppose what higher education supplies to all? Should we ignor the red lights at an intersection just because we may not have had a hand in developing that system?
Perhaps you oughtn't drive cars or use roads.