Ken Ham's answers...

Originally posted by RJHinds
Since Camels were domesticated there could have been selective breeding to produce variation within the species, but no evolving. When the common language was confused by God in order to spread out the people. Any of the people that had domesticated animals would have taken them with them.

Breeding that produce variation is what it is to evolve, be it artificial or not. But you
raise another question here. Did god confuse languages before or after the landmass was
split up?

Originally posted by C Hess
Breeding that produce variation is what it is to evolve, be it artificial or not. But you
raise another question here. Did god confuse languages before or after the landmass was
split up?

Before. By the way, did you know that man produced a large variety of dogs by selective breeding?

After the flood the people had one language and wanted to stay together, but God wanted them to spread out over the whole earth. So God confused their language so that there became several languages. The people that understood each other began migrating in different directions.

However, it appears that God wanted more separation by beginning the dividing of the earth during the days of Peleg.

Originally posted by C Hess
The video address this very issue. If Noah had not considered llamas and camels to be the
same species, then seeing as they are so similar, he would have to consider every cat-like
animal unique, every dog-like animal unique, and so forth, until he would have to build an
ark that could house literally millions of animals. Ken's organisation solved this ...[text shortened]... one cat-kind, one dog-kind and so on. Therefore, there can be
only one llama-kind on the ark.

Noah didn't send the creatures into the Ark God did! God would know what
He wanted and why, Noah built it, God designed it and provided the all the
creatures to ride in it, Noah didn't go looking for two of some seven of
others.
Kelly

Originally posted by RJHinds
Before. By the way, did you know that man produced a large variety of dogs by selective breeding?

Of course I am, that was one of the best evidences for the evolutionary mechanisms back
in Darwins own days.

Could you provide approximate dates for the following:

1. The flood
2. Babel's tower
3. Landmass dividing

Much appreciated.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Noah didn't send the creatures into the Ark God did! God would know what
He wanted and why, Noah built it, God designed it and provided the all the
creatures to ride in it, Noah didn't go looking for two of some seven of
others.
Kelly

I'm sorry, but you keep missing the point. Whether god or noah selected the animals, the
problem is the same. Either noah built a boat that could house literally millions of animals,
or he didn't, and literally millions of different variations evolved after the flood. They're not
all domesticated. The camels and llamas are just one example that happen to illustrate the
problem quite well.

Originally posted by C Hess
Of course I am, that was one of the best evidences for the evolutionary mechanisms back
in Darwins own days.

Could you provide approximate dates for the following:

1. The flood
2. Babel's tower
3. Landmass dividing

Much appreciated.

I believe I remember someone posting a Biblical timeline somewhere on the internet. I will google for it.

Here is one timeline starting from creation:

1656 - Methuselah dies the same year as the flood comes, aged 969

1757 - Peleg is born (generation 15)

1996 - Peleg dies, aged 239 - this is the first death mentioned in the Bible after the flood

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Genesis_patriarchs

The incident known as the Tower of Babel took place when Noah was 940 years old—in the year 1996 since creation.

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-3463/noah-tower-of-babel-population-growth/?p=3463

According to this the Tower of Babel incident took place the same year Peleg died. I thought it would have been before since it is mentioned before anything about Peleg.

Originally posted by C Hess
I'm sorry, but you keep missing the point. Whether god or noah selected the animals, the
problem is the same. Either noah built a boat that could house literally millions of animals,
or he didn't, and literally millions of different variations evolved after the flood. They're not
all domesticated. The camels and llamas are just one example that happen to illustrate the
problem quite well.

He didn't need to house millions, only enough to allow for the diversity of
life we see today.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
He didn't need to house millions, only enough to allow for the diversity of
life we see today.
Kelly

You won't win this argument, Charlie Hess! Logic has departed this discussion looong ago...

BUT let's try one more time....

As the narrator of the clip so aptly points out, the dilemma is as follows:

EITHER every kind of animal was in the ark, e.g. the llama, the vicuna, the one-humped camel and the two-humped camel (to name but one example) in which case the Ark DID have to house millions,

OR the Ark only housed one PROTOTYPE animal, e.g. the camel, in which case all the variations of camel had to appear in less than 5000 years, a hypothesis far more incredible than 'ol Darwin's.

So, KJ and RJH, which is it?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe I remember someone posting a Biblical timeline somewhere on the internet. I will google for it.

Here is one timeline starting from creation:

1656 - Methuselah dies the same year as the flood comes, aged 969

1757 - Peleg is born (generation 15)

1996 - Peleg dies, aged 239 - this is the first death mentioned in the Bible after the flood ...[text shortened]... eg died. I thought it would have been before since it is mentioned before anything about Peleg.

mankind managed to recover after the flood in such a manner and so quickly as to make a building project so awesome that it pissed off god. it stands to reason that it was more impressive than the pyramids, since god didn't get upset with the egyptians over it.


yep, totally legit.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
mankind managed to recover after the flood in such a manner and so quickly as to make a building project so awesome that it pissed off god. it stands to reason that it was more impressive than the pyramids, since god didn't get upset with the egyptians over it.


yep, totally legit.

The tallest buildings today dwarf the pyramids, which kind of makes you wonder just how
high this tower of babels must have been. 😕

Originally posted by CalJust
You won't win this argument, Charlie Hess! Logic has departed this discussion looong ago...

BUT let's try one more time....

As the narrator of the clip so aptly points out, the dilemma is as follows:

EITHER every kind of animal was in the ark, e.g. the llama, the vicuna, the one-humped camel and the two-humped camel (to name but one example) in whic ...[text shortened]... 5000 years, a hypothesis far more incredible than 'ol Darwin's.

So, KJ and RJH, which is it?

I say that Noah took as many as God brought to him. I am sure God would know how many were needed and how many the ark could hold.

Originally posted by C Hess
The tallest buildings today dwarf the pyramids, which kind of makes you wonder just how
high this tower of babels must have been. 😕

Well, it really wasn't the height of the tower at that time that bothered God. It was their potential if they remained together under one language, since they had vowed to remain together in one place. God wanted them to spread out and populate the whole earth.

Originally posted by CalJust
You won't win this argument, Charlie Hess! Logic has departed this discussion looong ago...

BUT let's try one more time....

As the narrator of the clip so aptly points out, the dilemma is as follows:

EITHER every kind of animal was in the ark, e.g. the llama, the vicuna, the one-humped camel and the two-humped camel (to name but one example) in whic ...[text shortened]... 5000 years, a hypothesis far more incredible than 'ol Darwin's.

So, KJ and RJH, which is it?

I'm not here to win an argument, how do you win an argument about,
"God did it!", you don't, you either simply accept or reject the text. Could
God use a PROTYPE animal, well why not? If you accept He created them
all, and set the rules on how they bred why couldn't He? He holds the
whole universe together by the power of His Word, why would anything
like that be beyond God?
Kelly

Originally posted by RJHinds
I say that Noah took as many as God brought to him. I am sure God would know how many were needed and how many the ark could hold.

I don't know off the top of my head how large the ark was, but however
large it was that size would limit the number on it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't know off the top of my head how large the ark was, but however
large it was that size would limit the number on it.
Kelly

The cubit is an ancient unit of length based on the length of the forearm from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Cubits of various lengths were employed in many parts of the world in antiquity, during the Middle Ages and as recently as Early Modern Times.

The earliest attested standard measure is from the Ancient Egypt and was called the royal cubit.

In Ancient Egypt, cubit rods were used for the measurement of length. A number of these have survived: two are known from the tomb of Maya, the treasurer of Tutankhamun, in Saqqara; another was found in the tomb of Kha (TT8) in Thebes. Fourteen such rods, including one double cubit rod, were described and compared by Lepsius in 1865. These cubits range from 523 to 529 mm (20.6 to 20.8 in) in length, and are divided into seven palms; each palm is divided into four fingers and the fingers are further subdivided.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit

The Holy Bible records Noah's ark as being 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high.

This would make the ark 515 to 520 feet long, about 86 feet wide, and 51.5 to 52 feet high with 3 decks or floors.