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Originally posted by RJHindsWhat if the bible doesn't cover all there is to tell?
As you know, I do not believe in evolution, so two camels must have been taken on Noah's ark, because about 400 years after the flood the Holy Bible mentions that Abraham's servant took ten of his masters camels with him on his way to get a wife and bring her back for Abraham's son, Isaac. So camels must have been domesticated before that time and probably ...[text shortened]... er and stronger than either of their parents.
http://camelfarm.com/camels/camels_history.html
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Because of the name "ARK" given to Noah's big boat and the dimensions, many believe it is a rectangular shape instead of the normal boat shape. However, Ron Wyatt claimed that a boat shaped object that is about the length of the Ark found in the mountains of Turkey was the remains of the Ark. At the time he showed a lot of evidence, such as large anchor-like stones not that far away and even convinced the local Turkish goverment to set up a park for visitors.
However, now most experts say it can be explained as a natural geological formation and not man-made. If this is in fact a hoax, then Mr. Wyatt took elaborate measures to convince so many people. I was even convinced because of the videos. It just did not seem likely that it could be a fraud. But the expert say it is just a natural geological formation. Nothing has been said about the anchor stones to my knowledge.
Others have reported more retangular shaped objects that might be the Ark on the mountains that are buried in the ice most of the time. But no evidence or verification has been forthcoming.
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Originally posted by RJHindsSorry to say, but you would need a very big effing boat man! There just aint any that big! ... ask your wife.
Because of the name "ARK" given to Noah's big boat and the dimensions, many believe it is a rectangular shape instead of the normal boat shape. However, Ron Wyatt claimed that a boat shaped object that is about the length of the Ark found in the mountains of Turkey was the remains of the Ark. At the time he showed a lot of evidence, such as large anchor-li ...[text shortened]... t are buried in the ice most of the time. But no evidence or verification has been forthcoming.
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Originally posted by KeggeYeah, I guess about as big as the Titanic and it didn't last very long. My guess was wrong, Noah's Ark is not near as big as the Titanic.
Sorry to say, but you would need a very big effing boat man! There just aint any that big! ... ask your wife.
How big was the Titanic?
Originally posted by KellyJayWith all due respect, KJ, this answer is exactly like to Sunday School kid's response to the question "Why is the sky blue?", which is "because God made it so!"
If you accept He created them all, and set the rules on how they bred why couldn't He? He holds the
whole universe together by the power of His Word, why would anything
like that be beyond God?
Kelly
The point of science is to discover HOW God made things!
Honestly, do you think it is reasonable that God "accelerated evolution" as it were so that the various sister species of camel (and, of course, felines, vultures and every one of a million species groups) came to be within the past 5000 years or so?
Does this not seem far more fantastic than Darwin's idea?
But then, of course, God COULD have done it.
It only remains to be shown why on earth he would have. He had all the time of eternity! Why be in such a hurry??
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Originally posted by C HessActually, it wasn't the height of the Ziggurat which was the problem, but the threat to God of all humanity being at one purpose, and together agreeing to find the solution to Life, the Universe and Everything.
The tallest buildings today dwarf the pyramids, which kind of makes you wonder just how
high this tower of babels must have been. 😕.
The fact that God has not yet destroyed the United Nations building in NY, is proof of the ineffectiveness of that body in uniting the world.
Just kidding! Lighten up, awreddy!
Originally posted by CalJustPlease, there are things we can look to science to figure out what God did
With all due respect, KJ, this answer is exactly like to Sunday School kid's response to the question "Why is the sky blue?", which is "because God made it so!"
The point of science is to discover HOW God made things!
Honestly, do you think it is reasonable that God "accelerated evolution" as it were so that the various sister species of camel (and, of ...[text shortened]... o be shown why on earth he would have. He had all the time of eternity! Why be in such a hurry??
and how it works. That said creation isn't really one of them for dating it,
you look at the whole of it not some small part of it and see the wonder of
how it all works together, dating it not so much.
You could not look at Adam at creation who was just formed out of the
earth and given life, and just by looking at him know he was only minutes
old, because he was able to carry on a conversation with God right away
and was very aware of quite bit right off.
God put the stars in the sky and the sun and moon, right then and there
Adam was aware of them at that time! The light did not have to travel from
their starting positions to reach earth millions of years later. Adam was
aware as soon as he saw the sky that first night. So the age of the earth
like Adam are either accepted as written or rejected.
I don't believe that all of life sprang from a single life form unless you want
to call God that single life form. The way that people describe the process
over the years just seems to unlikely for me. I don't accept the odds can be
over come given the limited amount of time given with the limited
resources at hand.
If you believe in God yet find the God you believe in is well powerless, I'm
quite sure you jump at the chance to cut Him some slack by trying to just
accept something other than what He is said to have done. I don't believe
that God will reject anyone for not accepting the book of Genesis, but I do
believe that accepting that God is the creator of the universe and He holds
it together by the power of His Word, gives us a better understanding on
who God is and His power and Holiness.
Kelly
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Originally posted by CalJustYour problem is that you put your faith in Darwin and evolution, which requires a lot of time. We creationists put our faith in God, who makes time. God does not need to accelerate evolution, because evolution only exists in your mind. God designs, creates, makes, and programs His creatures to reproduce variations after their own kind.
With all due respect, KJ, this answer is exactly like to Sunday School kid's response to the question "Why is the sky blue?", which is "because God made it so!"
The point of science is to discover HOW God made things!
Honestly, do you think it is reasonable that God "accelerated evolution" as it were so that the various sister species of camel (and, of ...[text shortened]... o be shown why on earth he would have. He had all the time of eternity! Why be in such a hurry??
God gave man dominion over the creatures and man in the beginning had great abilities to domesticate and breed animals that would best serve his purposes. You think it took millions of years to produce all the breeds of dogs we see today, but man produced most of them by selective breeding in three thousand years, not millions.
No evolution has ever been observed, because it does not exist in nature. Darwin simply choose to call normal reproduction, adaptations, and variations of animals that God programmed into them by another name. In his distorted mind it became known as natural selection and "evolution" and all the dummies believed and put their faith in him as their god. That religion is called "Darwinism" today.
Originally posted by KellyJayThis last statement of yours is the only one that makes sense, and I also believe it emphatically.
I do believe that accepting that God is the creator of the universe and He holds it together by the power of His Word, gives us a better understanding on
who God is and His power and Holiness.
Kelly
But to believe that God created the universe to LOOK OLD, just to fool us, (i.e. created the starlight in motion, to appear to be to our telescopes today what it actually is not) is not in keeping with that statement. It presents at best a mischievous, at worst a malevolent God!
Originally posted by CalJustThe universe looks the way it looks old, young who is to say, those that
This last statement of yours is the only one that makes sense, and I also believe it emphatically.
But to believe that God created the universe to LOOK OLD, just to fool us, (i.e. created the starlight in motion, to appear to be to our telescopes today what it actually is not) is not in keeping with that statement. It presents at best a mischievous, at worst a malevolent God!
think they know!? If God wanted to fool you, why would He lay out how it
was done then tell us? We are told, so from there we either accept it or
reject it, nothing else to it.
We are always presented with a means to walk away, another way to look
at things in life. As I pointed out to others in different debates, no matter
where you draw your lines someone will come up with a means to make
your side look bad. Faith is huge part of our lives, nothing else will work!
You will never have all the answers, there are to many questions! You can
ask away, settle on some, but must with that settling be willing to change
your mind presented with new evidence. When all you have is your own
way of looking at things, not so with God! When God spoke to Ezekiel and
asked about the valley of bones, the only human response based upon all
we know is, "No, God once your dead your dead!" Not so with God, from
time to time in our lives we see a valley of old dead bones, we know by
what we see all hope is lost, except through faith we know with God all
things are possible. When we are at the end of ourselves, God can still do
beyond all we hope and think!
Ezekiel 37 New International Version (NIV)
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
Originally posted by KellyJayThis seems like a good place to stop this discussion. Far be it from me to try to undermine your faith.
We are always presented with a means to walk away, another way to look at things in life. As I pointed out to others in different debates, no matter
where you draw your lines someone will come up with a means to make
your side look bad. Faith is huge part of our lives, nothing else will work!
If you are totally satisfied that your Faith is congruent and internally consistent, i.e. that you don't have to grit your teeth and pretend that you believe something that clear common sense tells you is not so, then good for you and go in peace.
But when the day comes that you can't stand the internal tension any longer, you don't have to jettison your entire faith in God, but only those silly little things that you were told by others are definitely so, when in realty they aren't.
In peace
CJ out
Originally posted by CalJustLOL, a back handed insult if I ever saw one. Sweet, but nasty.
This seems like a good place to stop this discussion. Far be it from me to try to undermine your faith.
If you are totally satisfied that your Faith is congruent and internally consistent, i.e. that you don't have to grit your teeth and pretend that you believe something that clear common sense tells you is not so, then good for you and go in peace.
Bu ...[text shortened]... at you were told by others are definitely so, when in realty they aren't.
In peace
CJ out
Later!
Kelly