1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    11 Jul '14 23:191 edit
    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    Can i ask you a question. Why is this such an important topic for you?

    For myself, i really don't think about it much. It is about as important to me as what comes after i am finished with God's work in me. Rev. 11:13 and after.
    It is as important as any other topic within scripture, I believe if God cared
    enough to tell us, it was due to some reason He is aware of and I may not
    be. So if God laid out how He started this universe, told us how it is going to
    go while it is running, then tell us how it is going to end, than each part as
    something we need.
    Kelly
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    04 Aug '14 17:445 edits
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    It is as important as any other topic within scripture, I believe if God cared
    enough to tell us, it was due to some reason He is aware of and I may not
    be. So if God laid out how He started this universe, told us how it is going to
    go while it is running, then tell us how it is going to end, than each part as
    something we need.
    Kelly
    Hey Kelly & RJHinds,

    This Catholic Phd. physicist I find explains things very clearly.

    What do you think of this lecture? I think if you get through 10 minutes you probably have to hear him to the end. I found him very clear.

    Scientific Evidence for God's Existence Robert J. Spitzer Phd.

    YouTube


    RJ you're probably unhappy with him because of he advocates the Big Bang.
  3. Standard memberKellyJay
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    04 Aug '14 20:36
    Originally posted by CalJust
    You won't win this argument, Charlie Hess! Logic has departed this discussion looong ago...

    BUT let's try one more time....

    As the narrator of the clip so aptly points out, the dilemma is as follows:

    EITHER every kind of animal was in the ark, e.g. the llama, the vicuna, the one-humped camel and the two-humped camel (to name but one example) in whic ...[text shortened]... 5000 years, a hypothesis far more incredible than 'ol Darwin's.

    So, KJ and RJH, which is it?
    Why not both creatures being on the ark? Having a prototype animal just
    means you have the DNA that could over time give you what you see today.
    So how many are required? Do you need several breads of dogs or just
    two, do you need several types of camels or just two, or four? How many
    and how old do they need to be? Very young, just young enough to breed?
    Kelly
  4. Standard memberKellyJay
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    04 Aug '14 20:44
    Originally posted by CalJust
    With all due respect, KJ, this answer is exactly like to Sunday School kid's response to the question "Why is the sky blue?", which is "because God made it so!"

    The point of science is to discover HOW God made things!

    Honestly, do you think it is reasonable that God "accelerated evolution" as it were so that the various sister species of camel (and, of ...[text shortened]... o be shown why on earth he would have. He had all the time of eternity! Why be in such a hurry??
    Do you think you can setup a test to find God, seriously? People argue over
    the code in DNA, it does things, it has stops and starts in it, it has countless
    pieces of information in it that builds living creatures. Is that God or a
    mindless number of accidents that were produced by random mutations?
    Science is blind to the supernatural, it always will be, it can only deal with
    the natural, and even there countless debates take place on the what we
    see, and why it is the way it is.

    Why be in a hurry, compared to what? If true God threw together this
    universe and everything in it, in a couple of days. He has been working on
    what is next for a few thousand years.
    Kelly
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    05 Aug '14 00:51
    Originally posted by sonship
    Hey Kelly & RJHinds,

    This Catholic Phd. physicist I find explains things very clearly.

    What do you think of this lecture? I think if you get through 10 minutes you probably have to hear him to the end. I found him very clear.

    [b]Scientific Evidence for God's Existence
    Robert J. Spitzer Phd.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkjhxzqr-5k


    RJ you're probably unhappy with him because of he advocates the Big Bang.[/b]
    Atheist-turned-agnostic astronomer Fred Hoyle, who coined the term “Big Bang,” famously stated, “A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics."

    As Hoyle saw it, the Big Bang was not a chaotic explosion, but rather a very highly ordered event – one that could not have occurred by random chance.
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    05 Aug '14 23:55
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I was lucky, went to Lutheran School of EL Monte, California for 8 years, had a Pentacostal grandma and I figured it out at the age of 8 and have been forever grateful for the 'help' Granny gave me, which shoved me right out of the bible god religion they all loved. Sincere thanks to you Grandma Rainwater.

    That is not a pejorative, that was her name. RIP.
    I once knew a lady named, Maudy Pumfrey.
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