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Originally posted by @sonship
What is it all about anyway?
The floor is completely for those enthusiastic about Zen Buddhism.

Pushy apologetic Christians like me - shut up and learn something !

Zen guys - the floor is all YOURS.
Karoly ??

Be positive.

Since all dharmas
(factors of existence)

are svabhava sunya and nihsvabhava
(lacking of own being and not ultimately real substantial entities),

"Middle Way" is simply refraining from taking up any speculative and/ or dogmatic thesis definable in terms of dichotomizing (dualist) conceptual thinking polarized into binary (positive/ negative, sameness/ otherness, identity/ difference etc. etc.) or quaternary (positive, negative, positive-and negative, neither-positive-nor- negative = tetralemma = catuskoti) sets of constructs and from postulating any absolutely real entity (bhava) in terms of these positions.

In this context, "Middle Way" is (Madhyamaka-grounded) Zen.

Well, Zen does not propound any thesis in support of such views.

Next?
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Originally posted by @black-beetle
Since all dharmas
(factors of existence)

are svabhava sunya and nihsvabhava
(lacking of own being and not ultimately real substantial entities),

"Middle Way" is simply refraining from taking up any speculative and/ or dogmatic thesis definable in terms of dichotomizing (dualist) conceptual thinking polarized into binary (positive/ negative, sam ...[text shortened]... -grounded) Zen.

Well, Zen does not propound any thesis in support of such views.

Next?
😵

Why was there a series of books in which the subject was "Zen and something else ..."?

ie. Zen and the art of archery" or Zen and (I don't know) Raising Fish or Hiking or something else" . There were a few of these as if Zen could be combined with other interests.

I recall that from the 70s.

Originally posted by @sonship
Why was there a series of books in which the subject was "[b]Zen and something else ..."?

ie. Zen and the art of archery" or Zen and (I don't know) Raising Fish or Hiking or something else" . There were a few of these as if Zen could be combined with other interests.

I recall that from the 70s.[/b]

There was never a series of books. 'Zen in the Art of Archery' was published in the 40s, it's a very interesting somewhat autobiographical examination of spiritual aspects to learning, particularly with regard to motor skills.

Robert Pirsig published 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' in the early 70s. The title is clearly informed by the earlier book, although it's really more of a novel, with an autobiographical flavour. Both of these books are informative and worth reading.

Following Pirsig's successful publication, a number of other authors used the same naming format to hopefully emulate his sales. I am not aware of any books of remotely comparable value that transpired from this inspiration.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Nothing you have said is 'Zen.' You are just rambling nonsensically and calling it Zen.

I really dont care what you think. I inform myself but I think I've already told you this a few times

Actually I've told a few of you that your opinions are irrelevant to me however most of you think that I'm influenced by your opinions .

Your loss. There is a very simple message here.

This is getting tedious . Frankly there is no challenge here for me

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
I really dont care what you think. I inform myself but I think I've already told you this a few times

Shush, people are actually trying to discuss Zen.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Shush, people are actually trying to discuss Zen.

Yeah ? Really?

Heck man try to be smart and stop being a smart arse

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
I really dont care what you think. I inform myself but I think I've already told you this a few times

That's the problem, you 'inform yourself' rather than take the time to learn was Zen is actually about.

You are so far out of your depth that you are just bobbing up and down like a rubber duck.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
That's the problem, you 'inform yourself' rather than take the time to learn was Zen is actually about.

You are so far out of your depth that you are just bobbing up and down like a rubber duck.

Lmfao all day long at that comment

You just proved again you know nothing about Zen

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Lmfao all day long at that comment

You just proved again you know nothing about Zen

'Live in the moment,'
the Zen Master said,
and gave Karoly
a slap on the head.
"All this is an illusion,
no truth in your words,"
but Karoly wasn't listening,
was away with the birds.
"The great wisdom is this,"
the Zen Master sighed,
"no man has the answers,
surrender your pride."

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'Live in the moment,'
the Zen Master said,
and gave Karoly
a slap on the head.
"All this is an illusion,
no truth in your words,"
but Karoly wasn't listening,
was away with the birds.
"The great wisdom is this,"
the Zen Master sighed,
"no man has the answers,
surrender your pride."

Pride goes hand in hand with the fall

The moment of Great Doubt comes after proper preparation

Zen masters don't do quotes
They also don't copy or covet others

Originally posted by @black-beetle
Since all dharmas
(factors of existence)

are svabhava sunya and nihsvabhava
(lacking of own being and not ultimately real substantial entities),

"Middle Way" is simply refraining from taking up any speculative and/ or dogmatic thesis definable in terms of dichotomizing (dualist) conceptual thinking polarized into binary (positive/ negative, sam ...[text shortened]... -grounded) Zen.

Well, Zen does not propound any thesis in support of such views.

Next?
😵

Are you a neutral observer or does your sun shine equally on all?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Are you a neutral observer or does your sun shine equally on all?

I am not neutral when I am in the Floating World, for at this relative level I am purely subjective.
And in the absolute level there is no experience of duality.
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Originally posted by @black-beetle
I am not neutral when I am in the Floating World, for at this relative level I am purely subjective.
And in the absolute level there is no experience of duality.
😵

Thank you. Cheers

Originally posted by @sonship
What is it all about anyway?
The floor is completely for those enthusiastic about Zen Buddhism.

Pushy apologetic Christians like me - shut up and learn something !

Zen guys - the floor is all YOURS.
Karoly ??

Be positive.

Nobody owes anybody anything. That is a nice place to start negotiaons.